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  • MoogeeMoogee Posts: 44

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    So, loaded G9 Mikey then set his head and body morphs to zero. The added the head and body morphs for the G9 Toon Adult male.

     

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  • necroscensionnecroscension Posts: 120
    edited November 14

    TheNathanParable said:

    Another experiment with using FilaToon on an older Poser figure, this time Himeko by BillyT!

    As much as I love how this model looks, her facial morphs are a bit difficult to use. I had to render this in two passes, one for each eye, due to the winking and eye movement morphs clashing.

    I'm very proud of the lighting in this one.

    https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#gallery=all&sort=newest&page=1&image=1354659

    If you don't mind me asking, how did you get shadows from the hair and on the neck? Even with cast shadows turned on I do not get shadows from the hair nor on the neck. If you look at my Chibi-Bel image, I'd expect to see that and shadows from the skirt.

    Never mind... I've apparently been having issues with the deep map shadows on my lights, which appears to be working now. I would get no shadows when it or the other option was selected. Now to retry a couple of renders...

    Edit -- the Filament Atmosphere Blur product was the problem. I had used it on the Minion image, and what I've learned is if the subject is in the dome, the shadow type from the distant light works in reverse. I had to set the shadow type to None in order for the shadows to appear. Thought I'd throw that out there if someone else attempted the same thing and wonders why turning on the deep shadow maps appear to turn off the shadows.

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  • TheNathanParable said:

    Another experiment with using FilaToon on an older Poser figure, this time Himeko by BillyT!

    As much as I love how this model looks, her facial morphs are a bit difficult to use. I had to render this in two passes, one for each eye, due to the winking and eye movement morphs clashing.

    I'm very proud of the lighting in this one.

    https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#gallery=all&sort=newest&page=1&image=1354659

    If you don't mind me asking, how did you get shadows from the hair and on the neck? Even with cast shadows turned on I do not get shadows from the hair nor on the neck. If you look at my Chibi-Bel image, I'd expect to see that and shadows from the skirt.

    Never mind... I've apparently been having issues with the deep map shadows on my lights, which appears to be working now. I would get no shadows when it or the other option was selected. Now to retry a couple of renders...

    Edit -- the Filament Atmosphere Blur product was the problem. I had used it on the Minion image, and what I've learned is if the subject is in the dome, the shadow type from the distant light works in reverse. I had to set the shadow type to None in order for the shadows to appear. Thought I'd throw that out there if someone else attempted the same thing and wonders why turning on the deep shadow maps appear to turn off the shadows.

    Ah yes, that makes a lot of sense. When I use Filament Atmosphere products, I apply the "constant" Filatoon preset to them and turn off receive & cast shadows, to stop them from messing with the shadows like that.
  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,629
    edited November 15

    Mavka https://www.daz3d.com/mavka-for-genesis with some minor morph tweaks and with custom Filatoon shader presets.

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,629

    @Moogee That turned out cute! Mickey 9's mats look great on the default Toon Male! 

     

  • NmatsuNmatsu Posts: 0

    I've just found out about the FilaToon update.

    I'm gonna have so much fun.

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  • 3Diva said:

    Mavka https://www.daz3d.com/mavka-for-genesis with some minor morph tweaks and with custom Filatoon shader presets.

    Love this! Super cute and really nice shader set-up. 

  • SapphireBlueSapphireBlue Posts: 963
    edited November 18

    I was trying my hand at some custom face textures for G9 toon and messing around with the Draw Settings some more. Love the possibilities! heart

     

    Dreaming (Straight Filament/FilaToon render)

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,629

    SapphireBlue said:

    3Diva said:

    Mavka https://www.daz3d.com/mavka-for-genesis with some minor morph tweaks and with custom Filatoon shader presets.

    Love this! Super cute and really nice shader set-up. 

    Thank you! I'm having a blast with Filatoon. Total game changer for me! :D

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,629

    SapphireBlue said:

    I was trying my hand at some custom face textures for G9 toon and messing around with the Draw Settings some more. Love the possibilities! heart

     

    Dreaming (Straight Filament/FilaToon render)

    That's gorgeous! I love the monochromatic look you're able to get too. Your scenes are set up with lovely composition, contrast, and clarity (the three Cs we're taught in art class). Nicely done!

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,513

    3Diva said:

    SapphireBlue said:

    I was trying my hand at some custom face textures for G9 toon and messing around with the Draw Settings some more. Love the possibilities! heart

     

    Dreaming (Straight Filament/FilaToon render)

    That's gorgeous! I love the monochromatic look you're able to get too. Your scenes are set up with lovely composition, contrast, and clarity (the three Cs we're taught in art class). Nicely done!

    I agree, looks amazing and gorgeous, and good to know about three Cs.

     

  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,408

    SapphireBlue said:

    I was trying my hand at some custom face textures for G9 toon and messing around with the Draw Settings some more. Love the possibilities! heart

     

    Dreaming (Straight Filament/FilaToon render)

    Wow! I can't get over how versatile Filatoon is.

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,629
    edited November 19

    I've been experimenting with shadows and you can get interesting hatching-like effects with Shadow Type PCSS by lowering the Shadow Polygon Offset Slope to negative values. 

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  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,408
    edited November 20

    3Diva said:

    I've been experimenting with shadows and you can get interesting hatching-like effects with Shadow Type PCSS by lowering the Shadow Polygon Offset Slope to negative values. 

    Wow! Now Filatoon is eating Sketchy Toon's lunch as well!

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  • Artini and vrba79 Thank you both! heart

     

    3Diva Thank you very much! heart I shifted the texture colors more to greens that would work for the scene, then tweaked Draw Settings to create a more uniform feel. It's really good for that and flexible for creating a more custom color look. Love that aspect! smiley

     

    3Diva said:

    I've been experimenting with shadows and you can get interesting hatching-like effects with Shadow Type PCSS by lowering the Shadow Polygon Offset Slope to negative values. 

    That's a great discovery and experimentation! yes I had noticed before that Shadow Type VSM gives a more smudged textured look suited to certain styles, but hadn't explored it further. Just had to try out your PCSS tips - and wow, some really crazy effects happen! Very cool! laugh

     

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,629

    SapphireBlue said:

    Artini and vrba79 Thank you both! heart

     

    3Diva Thank you very much! heart I shifted the texture colors more to greens that would work for the scene, then tweaked Draw Settings to create a more uniform feel. It's really good for that and flexible for creating a more custom color look. Love that aspect! smiley

     

    3Diva said:

    I've been experimenting with shadows and you can get interesting hatching-like effects with Shadow Type PCSS by lowering the Shadow Polygon Offset Slope to negative values. 

    That's a great discovery and experimentation! yes I had noticed before that Shadow Type VSM gives a more smudged textured look suited to certain styles, but hadn't explored it further. Just had to try out your PCSS tips - and wow, some really crazy effects happen! Very cool! laugh

    It was a fun discovery for sure! The only thing is you need to render pretty large and then scale the image back down - otherwise, it's just a mess. lol Thankfully, though, rendering with filament takes just a second or two, even if the render is huge. That's one of my favorite parts I think - that it's nearly instant rendering! :D

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,629
    edited November 21

    It's gotten chilly here and the leaves are turning beautiful colors. I was inspired to do an Autumn fairy. Made with: Toon Generations 2: https://www.daz3d.com/toon-generations-2-essentials-for-genesis-3

     

     

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  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,408

    Can confirm ordinary LIE works just fine with Filament/Filatoon as well.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,430
    edited November 21

    Another one I've done. Still can't get decent ground shadows though so just did 2 renders. Until Filatoon handles shadows better I'm finding it a bit limited.

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  • csaacsaa Posts: 824

    SapphireBlue, very well done! I can see your Dreaming render become part of a music video or album cover.

    3Diva, I like that fairy you shared. Is the water color texture a feature of FilatToon? Nice touch!

     

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,659

    One of my challenges is getting a consistent style with the hair.

    I want several characters to be in a scene for example, and to have their hairs look sort of consistent in shading and appearence. Even with the premade toon hairs are quite variable in shading and quality so they don't er... Match so to speak. 

    I've been messing around with recoloring older hairs but with inconsistent results.

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,629

    Serene Night said:

    One of my challenges is getting a consistent style with the hair.

    I want several characters to be in a scene for example, and to have their hairs look sort of consistent in shading and appearence. Even with the premade toon hairs are quite variable in shading and quality so they don't er... Match so to speak. 

    I've been messing around with recoloring older hairs but with inconsistent results.

    I recommend making use of Diffuse Overlays within Filatoon - that's helped me a lot with hair. I'm not sure if it will help you but it might be worth trying. :)

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,629

    csaa said:

    *snip*

    3Diva, I like that fairy you shared. Is the water color texture a feature of FilatToon? Nice touch!

    Thank you! I'm not sure what watercolor texture you mean, but I use custom Filatoon presets that I've made (that I'll be releasing with my Filatoon product - assuming Daz3D accepts it), and some of those (like some of the background shader presets) can give a bit of a watercolor effect, IMO. :)

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,961
    edited November 22

    Just playing... laugh BTW, is there a clone for V4 to G9 for auto fit? I only have Genesis and up. 

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,629
    edited November 22

    Wonderland said:

    Just playing... laugh BTW, is there a clone for V4 to G9 for auto fit? I only have Genesis and up. 

    That is super cute! Nicely done! As for the clones, if you have a clone for V4 to any of the other Genesis figures, you can leap frog it to G9. A product like one of these: 

    https://www.daz3d.com/rssy-clothing-converter-from-victoria-4-to-genesis-8-female

    https://www.daz3d.com/sy-victoria-4-and-michael-4-clones-for-genesis-8

    That can get it to G8, then you can autofit to G9 by having both a G8 and G9 in the scene. Load the clothes onto G8 then autofit them to G9. 

    Or you can go from G3 to G9:

    https://www.daz3d.com/wear-them-all-autofitting-clones-and-clothing-smoothers-for-genesis-3-female-s

    https://www.daz3d.com/wear-them-all-autofitting-clones-and-clothing-smoothers-for-genesis-3-male-s

    You could even go back as far as V3 M3 A3 to G3: https://www.daz3d.com/wear-them-all-autofit-clones-expansion-for-genesis-3-male-s-and-genesis-3-female-s

    Then from there to G9 since G9 comes with clones for G1, G2, G3, and G8. 

    As long as you can get the clothing item onto any of the past-generation Genesis figures, you can then get it onto G9.

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  • CES3DCES3D Posts: 81

    Wonderland said:

    Just playing... laugh BTW, is there a clone for V4 to G9 for auto fit? I only have Genesis and up. 

    With this script, you can create V4 clone for Genesis 9.
    This script uses Victoria 4, Michael 4, and The Kids 4 clones included in Genesis (the first) as templates to create V4, M4, and K4 clones for Genesis 9. 

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,961

    CES3D said:

    Wonderland said:

    Just playing... laugh BTW, is there a clone for V4 to G9 for auto fit? I only have Genesis and up. 

    With this script, you can create V4 clone for Genesis 9.
    This script uses Victoria 4, Michael 4, and The Kids 4 clones included in Genesis (the first) as templates to create V4, M4, and K4 clones for Genesis 9. 
     

    I already have clones for G1 up for G9. That product seems to do the same and I don't want conflicts with what I already have. I also have all the Gen 3 and Gen 4 clones for Genesis 1 but is there a way to make them usable for G9 (or even G8/G3)? Is there a way to duplicate them and put them in a different folder so they show up under G9? This may be the wrong thread for this question though.

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,961

    3Diva said:

    Wonderland said:

    Just playing... laugh BTW, is there a clone for V4 to G9 for auto fit? I only have Genesis and up. 

    That is super cute! Nicely done! As for the clones, if you have a clone for V4 to any of the other Genesis figures, you can leap frog it to G9. A product like one of these: 

    https://www.daz3d.com/rssy-clothing-converter-from-victoria-4-to-genesis-8-female

    https://www.daz3d.com/sy-victoria-4-and-michael-4-clones-for-genesis-8

    That can get it to G8, then you can autofit to G9 by having both a G8 and G9 in the scene. Load the clothes onto G8 then autofit them to G9. 

    Or you can go from G3 to G9:

    https://www.daz3d.com/wear-them-all-autofitting-clones-and-clothing-smoothers-for-genesis-3-female-s

    https://www.daz3d.com/wear-them-all-autofitting-clones-and-clothing-smoothers-for-genesis-3-male-s

    You could even go back as far as V3 M3 A3 to G3: https://www.daz3d.com/wear-them-all-autofit-clones-expansion-for-genesis-3-male-s-and-genesis-3-female-s

    Then from there to G9 since G9 comes with clones for G1, G2, G3, and G8. 

    As long as you can get the clothing item onto any of the past-generation Genesis figures, you can then get it onto G9.

    Thanks but I already have all the converters but would like a simple clone for V4 and also all the old Gen 3 stuff that is right in the drop down menu so I don't have to go through all that. I have all the old clones for Gen 4 (V4, Kids 4)) and 3 (V3, A3, H3, etc...) for Genesis 1 but is there a way to get them in the drop down menu for G9? Sorry if this is a repeat of my question above.)

  • CES3DCES3D Posts: 81

    Wonderland said:

    CES3D said:

    Wonderland said:

    Just playing... laugh BTW, is there a clone for V4 to G9 for auto fit? I only have Genesis and up. 

    With this script, you can create V4 clone for Genesis 9.
    This script uses Victoria 4, Michael 4, and The Kids 4 clones included in Genesis (the first) as templates to create V4, M4, and K4 clones for Genesis 9. 
     

    I already have clones for G1 up for G9. That product seems to do the same and I don't want conflicts with what I already have. I also have all the Gen 3 and Gen 4 clones for Genesis 1 but is there a way to make them usable for G9 (or even G8/G3)? Is there a way to duplicate them and put them in a different folder so they show up under G9? This may be the wrong thread for this question though.

    While this might be a tangent from the main topic, I'd like to clear up a misunderstanding you might have.
    The script I provided is designed to create clones of V4, M4, and K4 characters for Genesis 9.
    By running this script once, you'll have clones of V4, M4, and K4 characters within your Genesis 9.
    After that, you can directly Auto-Fit V4, M4, and K4 clothing onto your Genesis 9 without needing to use this script again.

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  • csaacsaa Posts: 824

    Wonderland,

    That looks beautiful! Thanks for sharing.

    Cheers!

    Wonderland said:

    Just playing... laugh BTW, is there a clone for V4 to G9 for auto fit? I only have Genesis and up. 

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