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  • algovincianalgovincian Posts: 2,622

    3Diva said:

    It's gotten chilly here and the leaves are turning beautiful colors. I was inspired to do an Autumn fairy. Made with: Toon Generations 2: https://www.daz3d.com/toon-generations-2-essentials-for-genesis-3

     

    Thank you! I'm not sure what watercolor texture you mean, but I use custom Filatoon presets that I've made (that I'll be releasing with my Filatoon product - assuming Daz3D accepts it), and some of those (like some of the background shader presets) can give a bit of a watercolor effect, IMO. :)

     

    That's great that you can control the palette like that on a shader/node level with your presets, in addition the traditional way (environement settings in Iray or draw settings for FilaToon). It's perfect for a fall image!

    - Greg

  • MadaMada Posts: 2,004

    Wonderland said:

    Just playing... laugh BTW, is there a clone for V4 to G9 for auto fit? I only have Genesis and up. 

    That looks great! I need to remake that set for G9 now that we can do skimpy outfits again :)

  • SapphireBlueSapphireBlue Posts: 963

    3Diva Autumn fairy came out great with the softness, color palette and watercolor feel!

     

    vrba79 LIE has so many possibilites with FilaToon! I like the scars you've given your character.

     

    scorpio The building and car conversions came out really neat! Nice work.

     

    csaa Thank you very much! You read my mind! I wanted to try my hand at some simple filatoon animation sequences, and thought I might just as well turn this into a simple music video and write a song for it. smiley

    I'm getting close to half done with the project since I'm keeping it short and simple. Will post it up once I'm done. The fast render times makes me so excited about animation possibilities!

     

    Wonderland Your fairy's very cute! I really want to try some older generations with FilaToon. So many things to try out!

     

    CES3D Thanks for sharing your script! I'll have to go download that one. smiley

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,630
    edited November 24

    algovincian said:

    3Diva said:

    It's gotten chilly here and the leaves are turning beautiful colors. I was inspired to do an Autumn fairy. Made with: Toon Generations 2: https://www.daz3d.com/toon-generations-2-essentials-for-genesis-3

     

    Thank you! I'm not sure what watercolor texture you mean, but I use custom Filatoon presets that I've made (that I'll be releasing with my Filatoon product - assuming Daz3D accepts it), and some of those (like some of the background shader presets) can give a bit of a watercolor effect, IMO. :)

     

    That's great that you can control the palette like that on a shader/node level with your presets, in addition the traditional way (environement settings in Iray or draw settings for FilaToon). It's perfect for a fall image!

    - Greg

    Thank you, Greg! I'm really happy with how the presets have turned out! I'm glad I took my time with the product and didn't rush to release it. I've worked with it for a few weeks making tweaks and changes to improve it - so that when I do release it, it's as helpful as possible to people. :D

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,630
    edited November 24

    @SapphireBlue Thank you! The more I work with Filatoon the more I like it! :D Such a great addition to Daz Studio, IMO! A great NPR look and pretty much instant rendering -so cool!

    @Mada That would be great to see some of the adorable older outfits coming back for G9! I can sometimes get the older content onto G9 ok, but it often doesn't end up looking nearly as good as on the figure it's intended for, of course. :) I'd love to see Sojourner, Pixiedust, and Love Potion for G9. I'm a fan of the fairytale and fantasy stuff for sure.

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,630
    edited November 24

    I managed to get the "Just Jokin'" outfit onto G9, but it distorted pretty badly (particularly the upper sleeves, which I ended up deleting). Still, I think the render turned out cute. :D

     

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  • felisfelis Posts: 4,472

    3Diva said:

    I managed to get the "Just Jokin'" outfit onto G9, but it distorted pretty badly (particularly the upper sleeves, which I ended up deleting). Still, I think the render turned out cute. :D

     

    Assuming you autofitted it, you need to adjust the weights of the sleeve. As it is so puff, it will get weights from the chest bones. 

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,630

    felis said:

    3Diva said:

    I managed to get the "Just Jokin'" outfit onto G9, but it distorted pretty badly (particularly the upper sleeves, which I ended up deleting). Still, I think the render turned out cute. :D

     

    Assuming you autofitted it, you need to adjust the weights of the sleeve. As it is so puff, it will get weights from the chest bones. 

    Yeah, I think that's the issue - you're right. As someone who doesn't really make clothing and wearable content, I don't know how to adjust the weights, though I used to remember how to do that - it's just been too many years since I've done it. I'd need to look up a tutorial on how to do that. I'm sure, even if I don't make wearables, it would help with autofiting older content to newer figures. :) Thank you for the info! I'll see if I can find a tutorial on adjusting the weights. 

  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,408

    This would be an absolute nightmare for me to try and render in Iray. I'd have to divvy it up into several layers or canvases and then try and glue it all back together in Photoshop.

     

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,513

    Looks great, @vrba79

    I like the composition and the image very much.

     

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,630
    @vrba79 That's a cool establishing shot. Very nice!
  • TheNathanParableTheNathanParable Posts: 1,071
    edited November 25

    Another simple experiment with FilaToon, this time using the Yururi character for G8F by Yomoran. She cel-shades really nicely!

    If you look at the full-sized image, you'll see that I struggled with the shadows. I used a spotlight for the main shadow casting this time, and it seems like the results are pixellated and chunky regardless of the settings I use. In fact, the quality of spotlight shadows don't seem to to change at all when setting the Shadow Map Size to anything above 2048.

    https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#image=1356125

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  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,408

    I think you can increase the shadow resolutions in the Filament options node.

  • TheNathanParableTheNathanParable Posts: 1,071

    vrba79 said:

    I think you can increase the shadow resolutions in the Filament options node.

    Like I said, the quality of the shadows cast from spotlights don't seem to be affected by that.

  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,408

    Filament/Filatoon continues to be everything I'm wanting it to.

  • Phloki3dPhloki3d Posts: 138

    Pulled in some hair and accessories from various non-daz sources and love that Filatoon just works 

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  • Rod Wise DriggoRod Wise Driggo Posts: 2,223

    Boy, with all that filament/filatoon stuff coming in I really feel left out as a Mac user. And all I know is that I'll probably have to wait until Studio 5 (whenever that thing might surface) to run filament on Mac. Bummer, especially since even the naughty bits from a site I cannot mention are now featuring an addon with filament support.

  • TheNathanParableTheNathanParable Posts: 1,071
    Phloki3d said:

    Pulled in some hair and accessories from various non-daz sources and love that Filatoon just works 

    Yep! Been raiding my old off-site purchases to see how well they work with FilaToon, especially all the old Anime Doll Kit stuff. Gorgeous render btw!

    Rod Wise Driggo said:

    Boy, with all that filament/filatoon stuff coming in I really feel left out as a Mac user. And all I know is that I'll probably have to wait until Studio 5 (whenever that thing might surface) to run filament on Mac. Bummer, especially since even the naughty bits from a site I cannot mention are now featuring an addon with filament support.

    Lol, I've seen that too. Let the FilaToon hentai commence! xD

  • felisfelis Posts: 4,472

    Rod Wise Driggo said:

    Boy, with all that filament/filatoon stuff coming in I really feel left out as a Mac user. And all I know is that I'll probably have to wait until Studio 5 (whenever that thing might surface) to run filament on Mac. Bummer, especially since even the naughty bits from a site I cannot mention are now featuring an addon with filament support.

    Don't worry. You know Daz is working hard to get it done, as in "soon". With some luck it will come with the next blue moon. 

  • csaacsaa Posts: 824

    vrba79,

    Very nice work on the window-framed scene! The spooky one with the ghoul (?) really hit the mark.

    Phloki3d, 3Diva, TheNathanParable: Love your renders, as always!

    Cheers!

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,630

    TheNathanParable said:

    vrba79 said:

    I think you can increase the shadow resolutions in the Filament options node.

    Like I said, the quality of the shadows cast from spotlights don't seem to be affected by that.

    Have you tried these settings to see if they help: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/706131/solved-with-how-to-workflow-how-do-i-get-a-less-blurry-pixelated-filament-filatoon-render

     

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,630

    csaa said:

    vrba79,

    Very nice work on the window-framed scene! The spooky one with the ghoul (?) really hit the mark.

    Phloki3d, 3Diva, TheNathanParable: Love your renders, as always!

    Cheers!

    Thank you for your kind words! I've been a fan of your work for years on the comic book thread over in the art section - have you tried Filatoon? I'd love to see some of your work with it, if you have! :D 

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,630

    @TheNathanParable @vrba79 @Phloki3d Wow! You guys are getting incredibly good with Filatoon! Wonderful and inspiring work! So cool!

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,630
    edited November 27

    Thoughts on working with Filatoon (this is mainly for myself to help me to remember to utilize these things in the future - I find documenting them can help me remember): 

    1) Utilizing Asymmetry in face and body morphs can help "sell" a more traditional look. No one draws perfectly symmetrical faces and bodies, purposefully adding imperfections can go a long way.

    2) Older figures can be great in Filatoon because they often utilize hand-painted "tricks" to achieve occlusion and shadows, they often have hand-painted shadows, highlights, and effects right on the texture maps. Those can look pretty cool and help sell a more traditional hand-drawn look.

    (I'll try and remember to update the list if I have any other thoughts on working with Filatoon that I want to remember.)

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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,961

    CES3D said:

    Wonderland said:

    CES3D said:

    Wonderland said:

    Just playing... laugh BTW, is there a clone for V4 to G9 for auto fit? I only have Genesis and up. 

    With this script, you can create V4 clone for Genesis 9.
    This script uses Victoria 4, Michael 4, and The Kids 4 clones included in Genesis (the first) as templates to create V4, M4, and K4 clones for Genesis 9. 
     

    I already have clones for G1 up for G9. That product seems to do the same and I don't want conflicts with what I already have. I also have all the Gen 3 and Gen 4 clones for Genesis 1 but is there a way to make them usable for G9 (or even G8/G3)? Is there a way to duplicate them and put them in a different folder so they show up under G9? This may be the wrong thread for this question though.

    While this might be a tangent from the main topic, I'd like to clear up a misunderstanding you might have.
    The script I provided is designed to create clones of V4, M4, and K4 characters for Genesis 9.
    By running this script once, you'll have clones of V4, M4, and K4 characters within your Genesis 9.
    After that, you can directly Auto-Fit V4, M4, and K4 clothing onto your Genesis 9 without needing to use this script again.

    Ah, OK, thanks. Just downloaded it. laugh

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,961
    edited November 27

    Double post removed. I keep getting double posts! 

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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,961

    Wonderland said:

    Mada said:

    Wonderland said:

    Just playing... laugh BTW, is there a clone for V4 to G9 for auto fit? I only have Genesis and up. 

    That looks great! I need to remake that set for G9 now that we can do skimpy outfits again :)

    I was able to auto fit it using G1 as the source clone with some adjustments and adding a couple of leaves you thankfully provided to cover up some "naughty" spots. If you do a remake, I hope you can include more materials, something for the feet, decos for the arms, legs, hair/head and maybe some new wings? laugh

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,961

    Phloki3d said:

    Pulled in some hair and accessories from various non-daz sources and love that Filatoon just works 


     

    Looks great! I love the attitude in their expressions!

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,961
    edited November 27

    vrba79 said:

    This would be an absolute nightmare for me to try and render in Iray. I'd have to divvy it up into several layers or canvases and then try and glue it all back together in Photoshop.


     

    Really artistic perspective! I never would have guessed this was created with Daz Studio! 

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  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,408

    Phloki3d said:

    Pulled in some hair and accessories from various non-daz sources and love that Filatoon just works 

     

    Almost feels like it was custom made for you, huh?

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