NVidia 5090

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  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 1,923

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    https://plm.sw.siemens.com/en-US/plm-components/3d-visualization-sdk/iray/

    well well well, looks like they sold it

    Indeed? https://developer.nvidia.com/iray-sdk How does that even work... NVIDIA still does the coding but Siemens owns the license?
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,694

    bluejaunte said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    https://plm.sw.siemens.com/en-US/plm-components/3d-visualization-sdk/iray/

    well well well, looks like they sold it

    Indeed? https://developer.nvidia.com/iray-sdk How does that even work... NVIDIA still does the coding but Siemens owns the license?

    Iray+ is not Iray. A lot of the plug-ins (which is what the support reply seems to be about) have been passed to thrid-party developers, but to the best of my knowledge the renderer iss till owned and developed by nVidia. However, I very much doubt that a user ticket asking them to update an old version rather than work on the current version (2024.1 or later, which canot be integrated with DS 4.x.x.x) will carry much weight - I am sure Daz has already done its collective best to persuade them there.

  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 1,923

    Richard Haseltine said:

    bluejaunte said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    https://plm.sw.siemens.com/en-US/plm-components/3d-visualization-sdk/iray/

    well well well, looks like they sold it

    Indeed? https://developer.nvidia.com/iray-sdk How does that even work... NVIDIA still does the coding but Siemens owns the license?

    Iray+ is not Iray. A lot of the plug-ins (which is what the support reply seems to be about) have been passed to thrid-party developers, but to the best of my knowledge the renderer iss till owned and developed by nVidia. However, I very much doubt that a user ticket asking them to update an old version rather than work on the current version (2024.1 or later, which canot be integrated with DS 4.x.x.x) will carry much weight - I am sure Daz has already done its collective best to persuade them there.

    Hmm ok. If you click on the NVIDIA link I posted though it doesn't say anything about Iray+. Just that if you want to integrate Iray contact Siemens.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,694

    bluejaunte said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    bluejaunte said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    https://plm.sw.siemens.com/en-US/plm-components/3d-visualization-sdk/iray/

    well well well, looks like they sold it

    Indeed? https://developer.nvidia.com/iray-sdk How does that even work... NVIDIA still does the coding but Siemens owns the license?

    Iray+ is not Iray. A lot of the plug-ins (which is what the support reply seems to be about) have been passed to thrid-party developers, but to the best of my knowledge the renderer iss till owned and developed by nVidia. However, I very much doubt that a user ticket asking them to update an old version rather than work on the current version (2024.1 or later, which canot be integrated with DS 4.x.x.x) will carry much weight - I am sure Daz has already done its collective best to persuade them there.

    Hmm ok. If you click on the NVIDIA link I posted though it doesn't say anything about Iray+. Just that if you want to integrate Iray contact Siemens.

    Yes, that is about developing add-ons/integration tools, not about the base Iray itself.

    The Iray SDK provides a comprehensive C++ API for integration and customization tasks. Designed for efficiency and ease of use, the API provides a single access point to the C++ software libraries, which can be dynamically loaded and linked to visualization applications at runtime in order to integrate Iray rendering technology.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,582

    bluejaunte said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    bluejaunte said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    https://plm.sw.siemens.com/en-US/plm-components/3d-visualization-sdk/iray/

    well well well, looks like they sold it

    Indeed? https://developer.nvidia.com/iray-sdk How does that even work... NVIDIA still does the coding but Siemens owns the license?

    Iray+ is not Iray. A lot of the plug-ins (which is what the support reply seems to be about) have been passed to thrid-party developers, but to the best of my knowledge the renderer iss till owned and developed by nVidia. However, I very much doubt that a user ticket asking them to update an old version rather than work on the current version (2024.1 or later, which canot be integrated with DS 4.x.x.x) will carry much weight - I am sure Daz has already done its collective best to persuade them there.

    Hmm ok. If you click on the NVIDIA link I posted though it doesn't say anything about Iray+. Just that if you want to integrate Iray contact Siemens.

    it's quite possibly a LLM moderator bot, not an actual person who replied  

  • algovincianalgovincian Posts: 2,636

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    it's quite possibly a LLM moderator bot, not an actual person who replied  

    That's an interesting thought. Going back to the reply that was posted and re-reading this line:

    "The Iray plugin seems to be from Siemens and it is not from or belong to NVIDIA it may be a plugin used with NVIDIA Products." 

    Makes me think you're on to something, @WendyLuvsCatz ;)

    - Greg

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,231

    MIH_BAD said:

    Well, it might be no one owns IRAY anymore crying I opened a driver feedback ticket / support - but they MIGHT contact me... nothing sure.

     

    Hello,
    Thank you for contacting NVIDIA Customer Care.
    This is Prajin, assisting you with your query regarding IRAY, and I will be working with you to address your concerns as quickly as possible.
    The Iray plugin seems to be from Siemens and it is not from or belong to NVIDIA it may be a plugin used with NVIDIA Products. 
    I would suggest to reach out to the plug-in developers (Siemens / Daz 3D) directly to request for the plugin to work with the 50 series graphics card and also alternatively you may leave a driver feedback using the link below to request driver support for Iray.
    Please feel free to reach out to us for other queries or clarifications.
    Best Regards,
    Prajin P
    NVIDIA Customer Care

    ...hmm the only Siemens I'm familiar with is a company that makes locomotives, rail cars, and transportation systems. 

    The Light Rail trams for Portland OR where I live are built by them as well as a new series of heavy rail trains for Brightline and Amtrak, The company is headquartered in Germany, but also has a manufacturing operation here in The States.

     

  • MIH_BADMIH_BAD Posts: 44

    Siemens replied and wrote they handle IRAY+
    I should contact Daz3D, but Daz3D didn't answer in 3-4 days on my ticket.

    Might be that no on e supports Iray plug laugh

  • MIH_BADMIH_BAD Posts: 44

    Does anyone know if the PhysX might be the problem? Looks like it's not working on the 5090?

     

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,694

    MIH_BAD said:

    Does anyone know if the PhysX might be the problem? Looks like it's not working on the 5090?

    The issue is that Iray does not support the new cards in a version that can be integrated into Daz Studio 4.x.x.x. The solution will be the release of the next major version of Daz Studio. I realise that it is frustrating but there is nothing any support team can do to change this.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,231

    ..so does that mean a new SDK is needed (which means Daz 5.0)?

  • kyoto kid said:

    ...hmm the only Siemens I'm familiar with is a company that makes locomotives, rail cars, and transportation systems.

    Siemens also owns the SolidEdge line of CAD / CAM software which is a fairly big player in that field.

  • NathNath Posts: 2,853

    ColinFrench said:

    kyoto kid said:

    ...hmm the only Siemens I'm familiar with is a company that makes locomotives, rail cars, and transportation systems.

    Siemens also owns the SolidEdge line of CAD / CAM software which is a fairly big player in that field.

    Whereas in Europe, Siemens is mainly known for household appliances (dishwashers, washing machines, vacuums, ovens, coffee machines, etc.) 

  • MIH_BADMIH_BAD Posts: 44

    I got an answer from SIEMENS - and you will like it heart 

    I think everyone is just fantastic: Siemens, this forum, Daz, Nvidia, us little folks trying to have fun with creativity angel

     

    NVIDIA have confirmed that support for Blackwell architecture GPUs begins with Iray 2024.1.0. The RTX 5090 is therefore not supported by Iray 2024.0.4 - which is the version that you are using - but will be supported by Iray / Iray Server 2024.1.0.

    We are in process of adding support for Iray 2024.1.0 to our products. We intend to release an update to the Iray+ SDK shortly. This will be followed by an update to our Iray for 3ds Max plugin. At this time, however, I cannot advise the exact release schedule for these updates. Please rest assured that we’re on the case!

    For your immediate requirement, we also intend to release Iray Server 2024.1.0 imminently, so please keep an eye on our forum: https://www.irayplugins.com/forum/forum/iray-plugins/iray-server

  • MIH_BAD said:

    I got an answer from SIEMENS - and you will like it heart 

    I think everyone is just fantastic: Siemens, this forum, Daz, Nvidia, us little folks trying to have fun with creativity angel

     

    NVIDIA have confirmed that support for Blackwell architecture GPUs begins with Iray 2024.1.0. The RTX 5090 is therefore not supported by Iray 2024.0.4 - which is the version that you are using - but will be supported by Iray / Iray Server 2024.1.0.

    We are in process of adding support for Iray 2024.1.0 to our products. We intend to release an update to the Iray+ SDK shortly. This will be followed by an update to our Iray for 3ds Max plugin. At this time, however, I cannot advise the exact release schedule for these updates. Please rest assured that we’re on the case!

    For your immediate requirement, we also intend to release Iray Server 2024.1.0 imminently, so please keep an eye on our forum: https://www.irayplugins.com/forum/forum/iray-plugins/iray-server

    Which is what has been said previously, 2024.0 had bugs and  will not be added to DS, 2024.1 is the currently developed version of Iray but uses a diffrent compiler/architecture and as such cannot be integrated with DS 4.x.x.x so for our purposes we are waiting for the next major version of DS or using Iray Server. Iray+ is not relevant to us.

  • MIH_BADMIH_BAD Posts: 44

    Richard Haseltine said:

    MIH_BAD said:

    I got an answer from SIEMENS - and you will like it heart 

    I think everyone is just fantastic: Siemens, this forum, Daz, Nvidia, us little folks trying to have fun with creativity angel

     

    NVIDIA have confirmed that support for Blackwell architecture GPUs begins with Iray 2024.1.0. The RTX 5090 is therefore not supported by Iray 2024.0.4 - which is the version that you are using - but will be supported by Iray / Iray Server 2024.1.0.

    We are in process of adding support for Iray 2024.1.0 to our products. We intend to release an update to the Iray+ SDK shortly. This will be followed by an update to our Iray for 3ds Max plugin. At this time, however, I cannot advise the exact release schedule for these updates. Please rest assured that we’re on the case!

    For your immediate requirement, we also intend to release Iray Server 2024.1.0 imminently, so please keep an eye on our forum: https://www.irayplugins.com/forum/forum/iray-plugins/iray-server

    Which is what has been said previously, 2024.0 had bugs and  will not be added to DS, 2024.1 is the currently developed version of Iray but uses a diffrent compiler/architecture and as such cannot be integrated with DS 4.x.x.x so for our purposes we are waiting for the next major version of DS or using Iray Server. Iray+ is not relevant to us.

    I was hoping to use Iray Server 2024.1 as a standalone solution and send data via Daz Bridge ... (I can even skip the HDRIs)  ... at least something to try until Daz 5 will be out. 

  • suffo85suffo85 Posts: 203

    Heh, wish I had read this before I bought one.  I guess when it arrives it'll be a paperweight since I only bought it for DS and Blender, unless I fully move over to cycles to render moving forward.  Not pleased.  It is what it is....such is life.

  • Really disappointing. When’s Daz 5 coming?

  • TomhipTomhip Posts: 446

    suffo85 said:

    Heh, wish I had read this before I bought one.  I guess when it arrives it'll be a paperweight since I only bought it for DS and Blender, unless I fully move over to cycles to render moving forward.  Not pleased.  It is what it is....such is life.

    You clearly have money to spend so why not make a new PC for blender and keep the old rusty for DAZ :P

  • illmiimusic said:

    Really disappointing. When’s Daz 5 coming?

    No prospective release date has been given, or even hinted at.

  • suffo85suffo85 Posts: 203

    Tomhip said:

    suffo85 said:

    Heh, wish I had read this before I bought one.  I guess when it arrives it'll be a paperweight since I only bought it for DS and Blender, unless I fully move over to cycles to render moving forward.  Not pleased.  It is what it is....such is life.

    You clearly have money to spend so why not make a new PC for blender and keep the old rusty for DAZ :P

    The 5090 was going to go into my old rusty, although my old rusty is only a year old so not very rusty yet lol.  The one I used prior to this one, now that one was old and rusty.  It didn't play well with 4000 series RTX.  What I'm more than likely to do now is sell the 5090 on the secondhand market and pick up an even more ridiculous A6000 Ada Generation with the profit from thirsty gamers running wild.  I don't game anymore so if I can't render with it, it's kinda useless to me.

  • MIH_BADMIH_BAD Posts: 44
    edited February 12

    UPDATE 1: Sadly my 5090 is not detected, same NDVA IRAY Server error: No CUDA device found... - back to Siemens for help smiley - will update ASAP

     

    Original:

    Ladies and Getlemen, start you testing engines heart NVDA IRAY 2024.1.0 (released by Siemens is out) - let's see if the 5090 can render 

     

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  • I would wait till a better deal is out there on the 5090 series they are too expensive for anything else but business! My 2x 3090's render quite well! When a black friday deal came around I bought a 16gb 4060 to try out the 4000 series out and I dont think the newer cards are worth the trouble. I spend most of my time playing games on a 3060ti 8g and reading my kindle. I buy stuff at store to support 3d authors but I just dont use daz studio all that often. Hopefully, version 5 is easier to use than 4, I am glad they added the daz bridge to Blender that was a great game changer for me. Honestly, I would just advise waiting.

  • MIH_BADMIH_BAD Posts: 44

    Silver Dolphin said:

    I would wait till a better deal is out there on the 5090 series they are too expensive for anything else but business! My 2x 3090's render quite well! When a black friday deal came around I bought a 16gb 4060 to try out the 4000 series out and I dont think the newer cards are worth the trouble. I spend most of my time playing games on a 3060ti 8g and reading my kindle. I buy stuff at store to support 3d authors but I just dont use daz studio all that often. Hopefully, version 5 is easier to use than 4, I am glad they added the daz bridge to Blender that was a great game changer for me. Honestly, I would just advise waiting.

    There as a big improvement from 3090 to 4090, due to smaller 4 NM; the power efficiency was amazing and the speed in DAZ was improved a lot ... same with 5090, the simulation, the camera movement, it's just fantastic ... maybe it's the memory speed and bus, open GL or who knows what - 5090 it's a pleasure to work with ... I can hardly keep up with it heart 

     

    PS: I just becaue a Daz Premier member; saw all around here has some Platinum linked to their profile devil

  • MIH_BAD said:

    UPDATE 1: Sadly my 5090 is not detected, same NDVA IRAY Server error: No CUDA device found... - back to Siemens for help smiley - will update ASAP

     

    Original:

    Ladies and Getlemen, start you testing engines heart NVDA IRAY 2024.1.0 (released by Siemens is out) - let's see if the 5090 can render 

    Iray is by nVidia, Siemens makes plug-ins add-ons. Please stop confusing them.

  • backgroundbackground Posts: 429

    Anyone who has, or intends to buy a 5090, I would suggest watching the youtube videos concering possible overload/melting  of the PSU-GPU cables and connectors.

  • Richard Haseltine said:

    MIH_BAD said:

    UPDATE 1: Sadly my 5090 is not detected, same NDVA IRAY Server error: No CUDA device found... - back to Siemens for help smiley - will update ASAP

     

    Original:

    Ladies and Getlemen, start you testing engines heart NVDA IRAY 2024.1.0 (released by Siemens is out) - let's see if the 5090 can render 

    Iray is by nVidia, Siemens makes plug-ins add-ons. Please stop confusing them.

    Hi Richard, I think what is being said here is Nvidia Iray Server version 2024.1.0 is now released, and that is supposed to utilize the Nvidia 50 series cards. This might be an interim workaround since Daz doesn't support currently if it actually works that way.

  • MIH_BADMIH_BAD Posts: 44

    OK, found more info:

    Worker 8 = Iray 2024.1.0 (381500.2959) can see RTX 5090

    Worker 6 = what DAZ3D is using to render = Iray 2023.1.4, build 373000.3036, 18 Mar 2024, nt-x86-64 - is not using RTX 5090

    I still have the Siemens forum discussion, in case they find a solution I'll update here, else this is the end ☠️ because I don't know how to redirect workers (8>6) in NVDA Iray crying

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  • background said:

    Anyone who has, or intends to buy a 5090, I would suggest watching the youtube videos concering possible overload/melting  of the PSU-GPU cables and connectors.

    The few I have seen were using 3rd party power cables (the quality of which is anyone's guess)--these claims have not been replicated using the official cables from NVidia and cables that come with reputable power supplies.  The one picture I saw looked like one wire of the cable was faulty and caused too much current to be pulled through it, causing the cable plastic to melt at both ends (again, a 3rd party cable).  This is probably similar to the 30xx and 40xx stories of melting cables--bad quality parts and user error...

  • 3DSaga3DSaga Posts: 470

    I think in the 4090's case, it was also a matter of the connector design. I could have this backwards, but initially they used a straight-in type of connector that wasn't allowing it to seat properly. The fix was to change to an "L" shaped connector that moved the power cables in such a way they would no longer interfere with the connector being able to seat fully.

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