Anime Toons and Filatoon Shader Q&A

Wonderland

I always thought G2 looked very stylized and unrealistic and am happy to see it looks great in FilaToon! Although I'm finding some areas on clothes or hair don't take the toon outlines. Like on the sleeves here. Does anyone know why that is? 
 

Richard Haseltine

TheNathanParable said:

Unfortunately, it seems i've come across a pretty glaring issue with the FilaToon geometry shell outline shader.

It casts shadows, causing extra shadows to appear in places where it shouldn't. This could be fixed by giving it the same cast/recieve shadows option that the main FilaToon shader has, and having it default to off.

Theer is a brand new, hot off the archiving tool update for Default Resources which should address this issue.

TheNathanParable

Richard Haseltine said:

TheNathanParable said:

Unfortunately, it seems i've come across a pretty glaring issue with the FilaToon geometry shell outline shader.

It casts shadows, causing extra shadows to appear in places where it shouldn't. This could be fixed by giving it the same cast/recieve shadows option that the main FilaToon shader has, and having it default to off.

Theer is a brand new, hot off the archiving tool update for Default Resources which should address this issue.

OwO

I look forward to testing it out once i'm able to!

EDIT: Very happy to report that the issue is fixed now!

Mada

Wonderland said:

I always thought G2 looked very stylized and unrealistic and am happy to see it looks great in FilaToon! Although I'm finding some areas on clothes or hair don't take the toon outlines. Like on the sleeves here. Does anyone know why that is? 
 

Yes. You need a rim with geometry to show the outline. If the mesh ends with a flat edge then there's nothing to show the outline. I have fixed it by creating a geograft of just the hem, but a much quicker solution would be to open the texture map of the shirt and draw an outline on the sleeve where you want it, then save as a new map and load that instead. Its fake, but it fools the eye enough to be believable.

Wonderland

Mada said:

Wonderland said:

I always thought G2 looked very stylized and unrealistic and am happy to see it looks great in FilaToon! Although I'm finding some areas on clothes or hair don't take the toon outlines. Like on the sleeves here. Does anyone know why that is? 
 

Yes. You need a rim with geometry to show the outline. If the mesh ends with a flat edge then there's nothing to show the outline. I have fixed it by creating a geograft of just the hem, but a much quicker solution would be to open the texture map of the shirt and draw an outline on the sleeve where you want it, then save as a new map and load that instead. Its fake, but it fools the eye enough to be believable.

OK, thanks.

3Diva

TheNathanParable said:

Richard Haseltine said:

TheNathanParable said:

Unfortunately, it seems i've come across a pretty glaring issue with the FilaToon geometry shell outline shader.

It casts shadows, causing extra shadows to appear in places where it shouldn't. This could be fixed by giving it the same cast/recieve shadows option that the main FilaToon shader has, and having it default to off.

Theer is a brand new, hot off the archiving tool update for Default Resources which should address this issue.

OwO

I look forward to testing it out once i'm able to!

EDIT: Very happy to report that the issue is fixed now!

Thank you so much for bringing it to our attention! Good eye! :D

3Diva

Richard Haseltine said:

TheNathanParable said:

Unfortunately, it seems i've come across a pretty glaring issue with the FilaToon geometry shell outline shader.

It casts shadows, causing extra shadows to appear in places where it shouldn't. This could be fixed by giving it the same cast/recieve shadows option that the main FilaToon shader has, and having it default to off.

Theer is a brand new, hot off the archiving tool update for Default Resources which should address this issue.

That's great news! Thank you so much, Richard! And please thank the Devs for us! 

3Diva

Mada said:

Wonderland said:

I always thought G2 looked very stylized and unrealistic and am happy to see it looks great in FilaToon! Although I'm finding some areas on clothes or hair don't take the toon outlines. Like on the sleeves here. Does anyone know why that is? 
 

Yes. You need a rim with geometry to show the outline. If the mesh ends with a flat edge then there's nothing to show the outline. I have fixed it by creating a geograft of just the hem, but a much quicker solution would be to open the texture map of the shirt and draw an outline on the sleeve where you want it, then save as a new map and load that instead. Its fake, but it fools the eye enough to be believable.

I'm wondering if the Thickener Plug-In would address the issue? https://www.daz3d.com/thickener-plug-in Does anyone have it and can confirm if it does? I don't own it but have been considering getting it. If it helps create edge outlines for the FilaToon that would be an added incentive to pick it up. 

SolitarySandpiper

3Diva said:

Mada said:

Wonderland said:

I always thought G2 looked very stylized and unrealistic and am happy to see it looks great in FilaToon! Although I'm finding some areas on clothes or hair don't take the toon outlines. Like on the sleeves here. Does anyone know why that is? 
 

Yes. You need a rim with geometry to show the outline. If the mesh ends with a flat edge then there's nothing to show the outline. I have fixed it by creating a geograft of just the hem, but a much quicker solution would be to open the texture map of the shirt and draw an outline on the sleeve where you want it, then save as a new map and load that instead. Its fake, but it fools the eye enough to be believable.

I'm wondering if the Thickener Plug-In would address the issue? https://www.daz3d.com/thickener-plug-in Does anyone have it and can confirm if it does? I don't own it but have been considering getting it. If it helps create edge outlines for the FilaToon that would be an added incentive to pick it up. 

The only reference to the thickener plug-in I've seen is by Crosswind on page six of this thread... saying the results were not good.

CES3D

3Diva said:

Mada said:

Wonderland said:

I always thought G2 looked very stylized and unrealistic and am happy to see it looks great in FilaToon! Although I'm finding some areas on clothes or hair don't take the toon outlines. Like on the sleeves here. Does anyone know why that is? 
 

Yes. You need a rim with geometry to show the outline. If the mesh ends with a flat edge then there's nothing to show the outline. I have fixed it by creating a geograft of just the hem, but a much quicker solution would be to open the texture map of the shirt and draw an outline on the sleeve where you want it, then save as a new map and load that instead. Its fake, but it fools the eye enough to be believable.

I'm wondering if the Thickener Plug-In would address the issue? https://www.daz3d.com/thickener-plug-in Does anyone have it and can confirm if it does? I don't own it but have been considering getting it. If it helps create edge outlines for the FilaToon that would be an added incentive to pick it up. 

 I experimented with a basic outfit created by punching a hole in a Plane Primitive for the neck.
The first image shows the outfit before applying the Thickener, while the second image demonstrates the outfit after using the Thickener to add thickness.
As expected, the Thickener allowed me to achieve the desired outline of the edges.

Mada

That looks promising. I don't have Thickener... do you have to do the whole obj? or can you apply it for example just the sleeves :)

3Diva

CES3D said:

3Diva said:

Mada said:

Wonderland said:

I always thought G2 looked very stylized and unrealistic and am happy to see it looks great in FilaToon! Although I'm finding some areas on clothes or hair don't take the toon outlines. Like on the sleeves here. Does anyone know why that is? 
 

Yes. You need a rim with geometry to show the outline. If the mesh ends with a flat edge then there's nothing to show the outline. I have fixed it by creating a geograft of just the hem, but a much quicker solution would be to open the texture map of the shirt and draw an outline on the sleeve where you want it, then save as a new map and load that instead. Its fake, but it fools the eye enough to be believable.

I'm wondering if the Thickener Plug-In would address the issue? https://www.daz3d.com/thickener-plug-in Does anyone have it and can confirm if it does? I don't own it but have been considering getting it. If it helps create edge outlines for the FilaToon that would be an added incentive to pick it up. 

 I experimented with a basic outfit created by punching a hole in a Plane Primitive for the neck.
The first image shows the outfit before applying the Thickener, while the second image demonstrates the outfit after using the Thickener to add thickness.
As expected, the Thickener allowed me to achieve the desired outline of the edges.

Oh that's great news! Thank you for sharing your results!

TheNathanParable

Does the thickener work on rigged clothing? Does it break the rigging?

CES3D

Mada said:

That looks promising. I don't have Thickener... do you have to do the whole obj? or can you apply it for example just the sleeves :)

The Thickener has "Facets to thicken" setting.
We can choose where to add thickness from the following options:

"All facets": Adds thickness to all meshes of the object.
"From selected surfaces": Adds thickness only to the selected Surface Group.
"Selected facets": Adds thickness only to the selected meshes. Selection is done in the Geometry Editor.

To add thickness only to the sleeves, select the sleeve meshes and choose "Selected facets", or create a Surface Group containing only the sleeves beforehand and select "From selected surfaces".

 

CES3D

TheNathanParable said:

Does the thickener work on rigged clothing? Does it break the rigging?

Thickener allows us to create two types of thickened objects: static and dynamic.
Dynamic thickened objects can conform to the deformations of their original objects (although not automatically). This means that if we pose a character differently, the thickened clothing generated by Thickener will adjust to match the new pose (again, this is not automatic).
The reason for "not automatically" is that after modifying the original object, we typically need to toggle the Enable option of the dynamic thickened object to update the thickened version.
However, when we advance to the next frame in the Timeline, the dynamic thickened object is automatically reapplied, ensuring seamless deformation during animations.

I think we've gotten a bit off-topic from Filatoon.