Anime Toons and Filatoon Shader Q&A

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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,875
    edited November 12

    I always thought G2 looked very stylized and unrealistic and am happy to see it looks great in FilaToon! Although I'm finding some areas on clothes or hair don't take the toon outlines. Like on the sleeves here. Does anyone know why that is? 
     

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  • TheNathanParable said:

    Unfortunately, it seems i've come across a pretty glaring issue with the FilaToon geometry shell outline shader.

    It casts shadows, causing extra shadows to appear in places where it shouldn't. This could be fixed by giving it the same cast/recieve shadows option that the main FilaToon shader has, and having it default to off.

    Theer is a brand new, hot off the archiving tool update for Default Resources which should address this issue.

  • TheNathanParableTheNathanParable Posts: 1,045
    edited November 12

    Richard Haseltine said:

    TheNathanParable said:

    Unfortunately, it seems i've come across a pretty glaring issue with the FilaToon geometry shell outline shader.

    It casts shadows, causing extra shadows to appear in places where it shouldn't. This could be fixed by giving it the same cast/recieve shadows option that the main FilaToon shader has, and having it default to off.

    Theer is a brand new, hot off the archiving tool update for Default Resources which should address this issue.

    OwO

    I look forward to testing it out once i'm able to!

    EDIT: Very happy to report that the issue is fixed now!

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  • MadaMada Posts: 1,989
    edited November 12

    Wonderland said:

    I always thought G2 looked very stylized and unrealistic and am happy to see it looks great in FilaToon! Although I'm finding some areas on clothes or hair don't take the toon outlines. Like on the sleeves here. Does anyone know why that is? 
     

    Yes. You need a rim with geometry to show the outline. If the mesh ends with a flat edge then there's nothing to show the outline. I have fixed it by creating a geograft of just the hem, but a much quicker solution would be to open the texture map of the shirt and draw an outline on the sleeve where you want it, then save as a new map and load that instead. Its fake, but it fools the eye enough to be believable.

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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,875

    Mada said:

    Wonderland said:

    I always thought G2 looked very stylized and unrealistic and am happy to see it looks great in FilaToon! Although I'm finding some areas on clothes or hair don't take the toon outlines. Like on the sleeves here. Does anyone know why that is? 
     

    Yes. You need a rim with geometry to show the outline. If the mesh ends with a flat edge then there's nothing to show the outline. I have fixed it by creating a geograft of just the hem, but a much quicker solution would be to open the texture map of the shirt and draw an outline on the sleeve where you want it, then save as a new map and load that instead. Its fake, but it fools the eye enough to be believable.

    OK, thanks.

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,494

    TheNathanParable said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    TheNathanParable said:

    Unfortunately, it seems i've come across a pretty glaring issue with the FilaToon geometry shell outline shader.

    It casts shadows, causing extra shadows to appear in places where it shouldn't. This could be fixed by giving it the same cast/recieve shadows option that the main FilaToon shader has, and having it default to off.

    Theer is a brand new, hot off the archiving tool update for Default Resources which should address this issue.

    OwO

    I look forward to testing it out once i'm able to!

    EDIT: Very happy to report that the issue is fixed now!

    Thank you so much for bringing it to our attention! Good eye! :D

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,494

    Richard Haseltine said:

    TheNathanParable said:

    Unfortunately, it seems i've come across a pretty glaring issue with the FilaToon geometry shell outline shader.

    It casts shadows, causing extra shadows to appear in places where it shouldn't. This could be fixed by giving it the same cast/recieve shadows option that the main FilaToon shader has, and having it default to off.

    Theer is a brand new, hot off the archiving tool update for Default Resources which should address this issue.

    That's great news! Thank you so much, Richard! And please thank the Devs for us! heart

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,494

    Mada said:

    Wonderland said:

    I always thought G2 looked very stylized and unrealistic and am happy to see it looks great in FilaToon! Although I'm finding some areas on clothes or hair don't take the toon outlines. Like on the sleeves here. Does anyone know why that is? 
     

    Yes. You need a rim with geometry to show the outline. If the mesh ends with a flat edge then there's nothing to show the outline. I have fixed it by creating a geograft of just the hem, but a much quicker solution would be to open the texture map of the shirt and draw an outline on the sleeve where you want it, then save as a new map and load that instead. Its fake, but it fools the eye enough to be believable.

    I'm wondering if the Thickener Plug-In would address the issue? https://www.daz3d.com/thickener-plug-in Does anyone have it and can confirm if it does? I don't own it but have been considering getting it. If it helps create edge outlines for the FilaToon that would be an added incentive to pick it up. 

  • 3Diva said:

    Mada said:

    Wonderland said:

    I always thought G2 looked very stylized and unrealistic and am happy to see it looks great in FilaToon! Although I'm finding some areas on clothes or hair don't take the toon outlines. Like on the sleeves here. Does anyone know why that is? 
     

    Yes. You need a rim with geometry to show the outline. If the mesh ends with a flat edge then there's nothing to show the outline. I have fixed it by creating a geograft of just the hem, but a much quicker solution would be to open the texture map of the shirt and draw an outline on the sleeve where you want it, then save as a new map and load that instead. Its fake, but it fools the eye enough to be believable.

    I'm wondering if the Thickener Plug-In would address the issue? https://www.daz3d.com/thickener-plug-in Does anyone have it and can confirm if it does? I don't own it but have been considering getting it. If it helps create edge outlines for the FilaToon that would be an added incentive to pick it up. 

    The only reference to the thickener plug-in I've seen is by Crosswind on page six of this thread... saying the results were not good.

  • CES3DCES3D Posts: 15

    3Diva said:

    Mada said:

    Wonderland said:

    I always thought G2 looked very stylized and unrealistic and am happy to see it looks great in FilaToon! Although I'm finding some areas on clothes or hair don't take the toon outlines. Like on the sleeves here. Does anyone know why that is? 
     

    Yes. You need a rim with geometry to show the outline. If the mesh ends with a flat edge then there's nothing to show the outline. I have fixed it by creating a geograft of just the hem, but a much quicker solution would be to open the texture map of the shirt and draw an outline on the sleeve where you want it, then save as a new map and load that instead. Its fake, but it fools the eye enough to be believable.

    I'm wondering if the Thickener Plug-In would address the issue? https://www.daz3d.com/thickener-plug-in Does anyone have it and can confirm if it does? I don't own it but have been considering getting it. If it helps create edge outlines for the FilaToon that would be an added incentive to pick it up. 

     I experimented with a basic outfit created by punching a hole in a Plane Primitive for the neck.
    The first image shows the outfit before applying the Thickener, while the second image demonstrates the outfit after using the Thickener to add thickness.
    As expected, the Thickener allowed me to achieve the desired outline of the edges.

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  • MadaMada Posts: 1,989

    That looks promising. I don't have Thickener... do you have to do the whole obj? or can you apply it for example just the sleeves :)

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,494

    CES3D said:

    3Diva said:

    Mada said:

    Wonderland said:

    I always thought G2 looked very stylized and unrealistic and am happy to see it looks great in FilaToon! Although I'm finding some areas on clothes or hair don't take the toon outlines. Like on the sleeves here. Does anyone know why that is? 
     

    Yes. You need a rim with geometry to show the outline. If the mesh ends with a flat edge then there's nothing to show the outline. I have fixed it by creating a geograft of just the hem, but a much quicker solution would be to open the texture map of the shirt and draw an outline on the sleeve where you want it, then save as a new map and load that instead. Its fake, but it fools the eye enough to be believable.

    I'm wondering if the Thickener Plug-In would address the issue? https://www.daz3d.com/thickener-plug-in Does anyone have it and can confirm if it does? I don't own it but have been considering getting it. If it helps create edge outlines for the FilaToon that would be an added incentive to pick it up. 

     I experimented with a basic outfit created by punching a hole in a Plane Primitive for the neck.
    The first image shows the outfit before applying the Thickener, while the second image demonstrates the outfit after using the Thickener to add thickness.
    As expected, the Thickener allowed me to achieve the desired outline of the edges.

    Oh that's great news! Thank you for sharing your results!

  • Does the thickener work on rigged clothing? Does it break the rigging?
  • CES3DCES3D Posts: 15

    Mada said:

    That looks promising. I don't have Thickener... do you have to do the whole obj? or can you apply it for example just the sleeves :)

    The Thickener has "Facets to thicken" setting.
    We can choose where to add thickness from the following options:

    "All facets": Adds thickness to all meshes of the object.
    "From selected surfaces": Adds thickness only to the selected Surface Group.
    "Selected facets": Adds thickness only to the selected meshes. Selection is done in the Geometry Editor.

    To add thickness only to the sleeves, select the sleeve meshes and choose "Selected facets", or create a Surface Group containing only the sleeves beforehand and select "From selected surfaces".

     

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  • CES3DCES3D Posts: 15

    TheNathanParable said:

    Does the thickener work on rigged clothing? Does it break the rigging?

    Thickener allows us to create two types of thickened objects: static and dynamic.
    Dynamic thickened objects can conform to the deformations of their original objects (although not automatically). This means that if we pose a character differently, the thickened clothing generated by Thickener will adjust to match the new pose (again, this is not automatic).
    The reason for "not automatically" is that after modifying the original object, we typically need to toggle the Enable option of the dynamic thickened object to update the thickened version.
    However, when we advance to the next frame in the Timeline, the dynamic thickened object is automatically reapplied, ensuring seamless deformation during animations.

    I think we've gotten a bit off-topic from Filatoon.

     

  • More experiments with FilaToon, specifically trying to come up with some hair settings I like.

    Also messed around with layering seethrough outfits. The main shirt uses the Masked Threshold to make the opaque parts look better and cast shadows properly. I then created a geometry shell that goes inwards with the Masked Threshold set to 1 (so it appears seethrough) and turned turned off cast shadows. Combined, you get a pretty decent effect that renders nicely.

    Of course, it would be much better if Filament supported dithering for opacity, which is what most modern videogames do in order to avoid the numerous depth-rendering problems that come from using opacity maps on things like hair. If you use anti-aliasing and render out the image large enough, the dithering wouldn't be noticeable.

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,494

    @TheNathanParable That looks really good - I like the skin too, it very much reminds me of your 3Delight Visual Style Shaders! Nicely done! 

  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,398

    To anyone having trouble with glass in Filatoon: Remember to tell the geometry shell to hide it's corresponding surface.

  • Played around with the Color Grading in the Filament Options. What do you think?

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  • Hi,

    So, I had computer issues and ended up doing a fresh Windows install. Last night I finished installing all the Daz content and decided to play with the G9 Toons, since I have an extensive collection of G8 content I've been reluctent to switch. Well when adding the Genesis 9 Toon Feminine it said it couldn't find FilaToon - Base.dsf and FilaToon - Outline.dsf

    From the Log:
    [WARNING] :: Could not resolve: /data/DAZ 3D/Built-in Content/FilaToon/FilaToon - Base.dsf
    [WARNING] :: Could not resolve: /data/DAZ 3D/Built-in Content/FilaToon/FilaToon - Outline.dsf

    I checked and it is missing, I decided to manually install them, so today November 18th, at 11:21pm EST I manually downloaded the Genesis 9 Starter Essentials, then purchased and downloaded Genesis 9 Toon Essential Shapes Bundle, unzipped them and looked through the folders and sure enough those two files aren't there.

    Even stranger is how that after searching the internet it looks like nobody has had this issue.

    Any idea why they are is missing and how to get them?
    Any other ideas are welcome too.

    Thanks, J.

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  • MadaMada Posts: 1,989
    edited November 19

    mjdoubledcom said:

    Hi,

    So, I had computer issues and ended up doing a fresh Windows install. Last night I finished installing all the Daz content and decided to play with the G9 Toons, since I have an extensive collection of G8 content I've been reluctent to switch. Well when adding the Genesis 9 Toon Feminine it said it couldn't find FilaToon - Base.dsf and FilaToon - Outline.dsf

    From the Log:
    [WARNING] :: Could not resolve: /data/DAZ 3D/Built-in Content/FilaToon/FilaToon - Base.dsf
    [WARNING] :: Could not resolve: /data/DAZ 3D/Built-in Content/FilaToon/FilaToon - Outline.dsf

    I checked and it is missing, I decided to manually install them, so today November 18th, at 11:21pm EST I manually downloaded the Genesis 9 Starter Essentials, then purchased and downloaded Genesis 9 Toon Essential Shapes Bundle, unzipped them and looked through the folders and sure enough those two files aren't there.

    Even stranger is how that after searching the internet it looks like nobody has had this issue.

    Any idea why they are is missing and how to get them?
    Any other ideas are welcome too.

    Thanks, J.


    Did you download Genesis Starter Essentials 1 2 AND 3? :)

    Post edited by Mada on
  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,494
    edited November 19

    mjdoubledcom said:

    Hi,

    So, I had computer issues and ended up doing a fresh Windows install. Last night I finished installing all the Daz content and decided to play with the G9 Toons, since I have an extensive collection of G8 content I've been reluctent to switch. Well when adding the Genesis 9 Toon Feminine it said it couldn't find FilaToon - Base.dsf and FilaToon - Outline.dsf

    From the Log:
    [WARNING] :: Could not resolve: /data/DAZ 3D/Built-in Content/FilaToon/FilaToon - Base.dsf
    [WARNING] :: Could not resolve: /data/DAZ 3D/Built-in Content/FilaToon/FilaToon - Outline.dsf

    I checked and it is missing, I decided to manually install them, so today November 18th, at 11:21pm EST I manually downloaded the Genesis 9 Starter Essentials, then purchased and downloaded Genesis 9 Toon Essential Shapes Bundle, unzipped them and looked through the folders and sure enough those two files aren't there.

    Even stranger is how that after searching the internet it looks like nobody has had this issue.

    Any idea why they are is missing and how to get them?
    Any other ideas are welcome too.

    Thanks, J.

    Hi, J. Did you make sure to install all three of the Genesis 9 Starter Essentials? https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/8933401/#Comment_8933401

     

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  • Mada said:

    mjdoubledcom said:

    Hi,

    So, I had computer issues and ended up doing a fresh Windows install. Last night I finished installing all the Daz content and decided to play with the G9 Toons, since I have an extensive collection of G8 content I've been reluctent to switch. Well when adding the Genesis 9 Toon Feminine it said it couldn't find FilaToon - Base.dsf and FilaToon - Outline.dsf

    From the Log:
    [WARNING] :: Could not resolve: /data/DAZ 3D/Built-in Content/FilaToon/FilaToon - Base.dsf
    [WARNING] :: Could not resolve: /data/DAZ 3D/Built-in Content/FilaToon/FilaToon - Outline.dsf

    I checked and it is missing, I decided to manually install them, so today November 18th, at 11:21pm EST I manually downloaded the Genesis 9 Starter Essentials, then purchased and downloaded Genesis 9 Toon Essential Shapes Bundle, unzipped them and looked through the folders and sure enough those two files aren't there.

    Even stranger is how that after searching the internet it looks like nobody has had this issue.

    Any idea why they are is missing and how to get them?
    Any other ideas are welcome too.

    Thanks, J.


    Did you download Genesis Starter Essentials 1 2 AND 3? :)

    Default Resources for the shaders

  • mjdoubledcommjdoubledcom Posts: 2
    edited November 20

    3Diva said:

    mjdoubledcom said:

    Hi,

    So, I had computer issues and ended up doing a fresh Windows install. Last night I finished installing all the Daz content and decided to play with the G9 Toons, since I have an extensive collection of G8 content I've been reluctent to switch. Well when adding the Genesis 9 Toon Feminine it said it couldn't find FilaToon - Base.dsf and FilaToon - Outline.dsf

    From the Log:
    [WARNING] :: Could not resolve: /data/DAZ 3D/Built-in Content/FilaToon/FilaToon - Base.dsf
    [WARNING] :: Could not resolve: /data/DAZ 3D/Built-in Content/FilaToon/FilaToon - Outline.dsf

    I checked and it is missing, I decided to manually install them, so today November 18th, at 11:21pm EST I manually downloaded the Genesis 9 Starter Essentials, then purchased and downloaded Genesis 9 Toon Essential Shapes Bundle, unzipped them and looked through the folders and sure enough those two files aren't there.

    Even stranger is how that after searching the internet it looks like nobody has had this issue.

    Any idea why they are is missing and how to get them?
    Any other ideas are welcome too.

    Thanks, J.

    Hi, J. Did you make sure to install all three of the Genesis 9 Starter Essentials? https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/8933401/#Comment_8933401

    Yep. Installed all three in the install manager, removed reinstalled, it still gave me the error so I manually downloaded them, unzipped them and looked for the files, and they weren't there. So I re-downloaded the three files, unzipped them again, and sure enough those two files are not in there.

    Hold up, I just checked the DIM again and it has a different file size. Do you have a Mac? Otherwise there is an issue where the update from October isn't universally updating the source files.

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  • CES3DCES3D Posts: 15

    mjdoubledcom said:

    3Diva said:

    mjdoubledcom said:

    Hi,

    So, I had computer issues and ended up doing a fresh Windows install. Last night I finished installing all the Daz content and decided to play with the G9 Toons, since I have an extensive collection of G8 content I've been reluctent to switch. Well when adding the Genesis 9 Toon Feminine it said it couldn't find FilaToon - Base.dsf and FilaToon - Outline.dsf

    From the Log:
    [WARNING] :: Could not resolve: /data/DAZ 3D/Built-in Content/FilaToon/FilaToon - Base.dsf
    [WARNING] :: Could not resolve: /data/DAZ 3D/Built-in Content/FilaToon/FilaToon - Outline.dsf

    I checked and it is missing, I decided to manually install them, so today November 18th, at 11:21pm EST I manually downloaded the Genesis 9 Starter Essentials, then purchased and downloaded Genesis 9 Toon Essential Shapes Bundle, unzipped them and looked through the folders and sure enough those two files aren't there.

    Even stranger is how that after searching the internet it looks like nobody has had this issue.

    Any idea why they are is missing and how to get them?
    Any other ideas are welcome too.

    Thanks, J.

    Hi, J. Did you make sure to install all three of the Genesis 9 Starter Essentials? https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/8933401/#Comment_8933401

    Yep. Installed all three in the install manager, removed reinstalled, it still gave me the error so I manually downloaded them, unzipped them and looked for the files, and they weren't there. So I re-downloaded the three files, unzipped them again, and sure enough those two files are not in there.

    Hold up, I just checked the DIM again and it has a different file size. Do you have a Mac? Otherwise there is an issue where the update from October isn't universally updating the source files.

    The file sizes displayed in the "Ready to Download" and "Installed" tabs are significantly different. This is because the "Ready to Download" tab shows the size of the archive file, while the "Installed" tab shows the size of the extracted files.
    Additionally, since an update for "Genesis 9 Starter Essentials" was released on November 19, 2024, the file size may vary before and after the update. 

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,706

    mjdoubledcom said:

    3Diva said:

    mjdoubledcom said:

    Hi,

    So, I had computer issues and ended up doing a fresh Windows install. Last night I finished installing all the Daz content and decided to play with the G9 Toons, since I have an extensive collection of G8 content I've been reluctent to switch. Well when adding the Genesis 9 Toon Feminine it said it couldn't find FilaToon - Base.dsf and FilaToon - Outline.dsf

    From the Log:
    [WARNING] :: Could not resolve: /data/DAZ 3D/Built-in Content/FilaToon/FilaToon - Base.dsf
    [WARNING] :: Could not resolve: /data/DAZ 3D/Built-in Content/FilaToon/FilaToon - Outline.dsf

    I checked and it is missing, I decided to manually install them, so today November 18th, at 11:21pm EST I manually downloaded the Genesis 9 Starter Essentials, then purchased and downloaded Genesis 9 Toon Essential Shapes Bundle, unzipped them and looked through the folders and sure enough those two files aren't there.

    Even stranger is how that after searching the internet it looks like nobody has had this issue.

    Any idea why they are is missing and how to get them?
    Any other ideas are welcome too.

    Thanks, J.

    Hi, J. Did you make sure to install all three of the Genesis 9 Starter Essentials? https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/8933401/#Comment_8933401

    Yep. Installed all three in the install manager, removed reinstalled, it still gave me the error so I manually downloaded them, unzipped them and looked for the files, and they weren't there. So I re-downloaded the three files, unzipped them again, and sure enough those two files are not in there.

    Those files correspond to the actual filatoon shader, so they would be part of Daz Studio "default resources" pack not the G9 essentials.

  • Just out of curiosity, what is the essentials update supposed to fix? What issues were addressed since the last update in October?

  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,406

    If I had to guess, likely fixing the G9 toon characters to use the updated outline shader that doesn't generate shadows off the shell.

  • CES3DCES3D Posts: 15

    GRFK DSGN Unlimited said:

    Just out of curiosity, what is the essentials update supposed to fix? What issues were addressed since the last update in October?

    You can find the details of the updates provided on November 19, 2024 for "Genesis 9 Starter Essentials" under "Resolved Issues" on this page.
    Here are the details:

    2024-11-19 Updated:

    • Corrected aliases that were causing issues in the log.
    • Updated Toon Layers Swap.dse utility script
    • Updated Toon Hair morphs
    • Updated G9 Anime Nipples presets
    • Updated morph icons
    • Added Eyelash morph icons
    • Added Create Properties on Followers.dse, Hair Blank Morph Template Load.dse, and INFO scripts to Developer Tools Pane
    • Updated Metadata
    • updates sub division level limit to 4
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