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Yeah, quite a lot is confusing.
- Is 4.23 free or Premier? I get that the Premier version has the extras but, if so, what does 4.23 basic have over 4.22?
- Are these Premier add-ons just the same as those many of us have already paid for? If so, will those we have stop working?
- Are all new developments, including the ever-receding DS5, going to be Premier only?
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I'm still building my confidence when it comes to 2D work
Daz 4.23.0.1 Beta was just posted today for download in DIM.
Yes, I am getting different results in Public Build and general release - it is very strange, I have sent my experience in to Daz.
https://www.daz3d.com/subscription/membership/offer
Thanks for all your kindness, assistance, and freebies over the years! You and barbult and Havos and several others have been great helps to me.
your content can move to blender.
https://www.blender.org/
Hmm, well... I can easily keep using whatever version of DS I'm using and it'll be fine because all my content works with that. I can still use Hexagon and Carrara, as well. And I venture to say, I could continue to do Daz stuff until the day I die and still not fully mine the possibilities of everything I've already got - And that's without ever buying anything again. So, I guess I can wait to see how all this pans out. I won't be bored. It's just not how I thought I'd greet the day today. It's rather a letdown. IDK what this is, but it's not anything like the Daz+ sales of earlier years.
I haven't been around for a while and getting this shortly after i was decided to come back is not pleasant. I was waiting to get one of those nice PC+/DAZ+ membership discounts, guess i will not be getting that at all because $10 a month is not something i'm not currently able to afford to have 'just in case'. Not saying leaving Daz, just that the appeal of having a sub that encourage me to be around more often and tempt me with specific offers will be completelly lost for me.
I get those with lasting Daz+ membership being offered little of premier in exchange will be most mad. And i don't think offering those upgrades on how much they paid is fair also. They paid in advance, that alone should consider a discount. The $6 coupon alone gives more value to keeping Daz+ in the vast mojority of cases i read. From a bussiness point of view where Daz/Tafi should had make it more apealing for more people to join premier, it is just a really bad choice to not offer a half premier / daz+ time exchange. Why punish those that took advantage of those offers? It is not that it was once that Daz made a mistake and just decided to honor the offer. Those deals were possible even before the name change to Daz+. I know because that is how i started spending money here a few years ago, by stacking promos and getting a cheaper PC+ sub.
The 'free bundle'. For people that already been investing in G9, probably little to no value. For new, only if that kind a bundle is their target. If someone targets mostly the figures or bigger bundles, then is also not the best choice because it either includes unwanted things or you need to wait for the powers that be to offer a good catch up bundle discount. Why can't you just give a direct $XX off every new core figure release or its bundle during first week?
Now about new features being included in a subscription instead of regular version or paid plugins Not happy about it as well. I know some people like to remember that it was like that before pro version being free. But going backwards does not mean going back to the same thing. It opens a pandora box and those afraid that potential cool new features may not be available in free version (by itself or as plugin) are right to be afraid.
That sounds odd, it should reflect what you paid for the remaining time plus 1 - please open a Sales Support ticket.
They are mainly derived from Man Friday's tools (Geometry Sculptor is Mesh Grabber 4) - as far as I can see they do not give access to things you cannot do with other tools, albeit with more work - and I don't think render Queue is tied to Iray, none of the others are. However, they don't give access to HD morph creation/editing or to dForce hair creation/editing either.
Good point! And there are some reasons to do that; but it's another mountain to climb. I'm not interested in climbing more mountains right now.
Your patience is amazing. I'd offer you a virtual glass of wine, but there are only smileys. So I'll have to give you a thumbs up instead..
Or it can go the way of Paramount+ who finally realized they took too long to jump into an already over-saturated business with an insufficient base of products to lure enough customers to make it viable. And this has been kind of the way of DAZ since about the same time that DS 4 dropped - making big jumps into other perceived "hot" business markets (like avatar design, NFTs, and now AI,) despite clearly having much fewer resources in those areas than their direct competitors, and then turning around and trying to squeeze more funds from their one and only stable core market by launching some new gimmick in such a poor and disorganized fashion that they immediately turn a significant portion of the potential marketbase for that product against them.
To be clear, this is an idea that COULD have worked out smoothly, but DAZ has self-sabotaged by making most of the "benefits" of Premier things that are not only already available as standalones, but are very likely to be already owned by those who are in the best position to pay a $20 a month subscriber fee.
You do understand that just because they can do whatever they want with the store and software doesn't mean they aren't going down a very anti-consumer path that we've seen in other cases become a system where everthing worthwhile is locked behind a subscription and you're just renting your content and tools. But yes they have every right to tell us all to pay extra or get out. That doesn't change the fact it's a hostile and frankly stupid decision even if the bean counters love it. But companies are allowed to alienate their customers and treat them like crap. They just shouldn't be surprised when it doesn't turn into the money maker they expected
You do understand that just because they can do whatever they want with the store and software doesn't mean they aren't going down a very anti-consumer path that we've seen in other cases become a system where everthing worthwhile is locked behind a subscription and you're just renting your content and tools. But yes they have every right to tell us all to pay extra or get out. That doesn't change the fact it's a hostile and frankly stupid decision even if the bean counters love it. But companies are allowed to alienate their customers and treat them like crap. They just shouldn't be surprised when it doesn't turn into the money maker they expected
Thank you for your reply.
If so, I need the exact list of plug-ins for “the extras enabled by a membership”.
My DazStudio already has 118 plug-ins installed, both paid and free.
I need to know in advance whether the plug-ins to be added to Daz Studio Premier are duplicates of these or different ones, and whether I need them or not.
Like tombraider4ever, I work most of the month and have only a few days to concentrate on using DazStudio.
So subscription contracts are very expensive for me, because the price is not per month, but essentially per few days.
And I have to worry about not being able to use it for whatever reason.
I have had bad experiences with Adobe and RedGiant.
Projects that I have previously charged for and edited and completed become unusable because the plugins are no longer available when they expire.
Then I end up paying a hefty subscription for a few hours of re-use, and depending on the budget for the work, I may have to forgo the re-use itself, even though it is my own work.
I will be in a situation where someone else has added restrictions to the Creative effort I have worked on.
For me, it is much “safer” to buy the plug-ins I need.
I will pay for the “peace of mind.
For professionals who use it daily, subscriptions may be more economical.
For me, who uses it only a few days a month, it is a disproportionately expensive service.
In my opinion, the fact that they removed my post tells you everything that you needed to know.
So, from what has been said so far I would need to install the Beta version of DS. For me that makes Premier Plus a very simple answer of no thanks, I can't use the software enhancements (literally), because DAZ support doesn't care to provide any assistance in getting a failed installation of the Beta fixed on my computer.
Last June I had a failed installation of the Beta. I tried to get help in the Beta forum first, but no one was able to help. I submitted a support ticket on June 12th, and other than the initial bot response from the help desk system, Nothing from support. I added a comment hoping it might get someone to see the request again on Aug. 29th. Then last Friday there was finally a response from support to tell me that "Request #458488 "DAZ Studio Beta update failed" was closed and merged into this request. Last comment in request #458488" (sorry Mods for posting the response from tech support, but I wasn't able to paraphrase it and make it easily understandable, please feel free to delete/change it if you are able to make it sound good)
This is not the way to treat your customers, especially long time customers (almost 20 years). No response to a valid support request for months, then rub alcohol in the wound by releasing Premier +, that I can't use the best selling points (for me) because you won't provide the needed technical support. No worries though, I think this is probably a good thing since it seems as if it's time for me to move on to Blender or Unreal. It was fun while it lasted .... I think.
(Note: I still can't see any new Beta versions in DIM, even though I can see the new beta plugins, so I can't try a to re-install it with the new version if it doesn't show in DIM.)
Questions, and feelings about the offer:
What plugins are in the premiere? -> I already have a few, plus several converters and morph packs. List the plugins and content, please
A free Character Bundle Each month -> I wasn't going from G8.1 + G8 to G9. I have just 25 G9 out of 1800, while more than 800++ G8. Converting G8,G8.1-> G9 could cause problems, I want to see the converters in work first + What about duplicate data? Will I have 100GB+ in duplicates?
Free Premier Exclusive content (other users can't even buy it) for free each time we release a Character Bundle (Even if you don't buy the bundle!) -> Do you own those items or only have them till you have a subscription? Could you transport them out to other engines?
Seeing that there is a Premier level of offer and a different DAZ+ offer that could be a selling point. (This is not listed, but it will cause a major problem within DAZ+ members....)
I think the Premier is not for people who have already a large library as some of them are more picky about what to buy next. But for new users just before Xmas, it will be popular for at least 1 month... December
ps: If they would had said to pay a one-time fee for PA tools, that would have been interesting. but this is the path of Adobe...
I don't know, I think I can recall D+FAD prices of $ 1.99 some "previous years" ago... and the current price of $ 3.99 beats the occasion, when they were $ 2.99, without the need to buy something to go with them. Alas, those times are gone like tears in the rain, it seems...
Actually when one doesn't want to use G9 the free character bundles and "exclusive content" probably turn out as quite useless...
It remains to be seen whether it's a stupid decision. If it ends up increasing revenue beyond what they'd have gotten sticking with the old approach, then it's not stupid. I personally won't be subscribing at this time, as I generally don't like the subscription model for things like this, and what's currently gained by the subscription isn't appealing enough to me. We'll see how it goes.
Thank you. I will get virtually tipsy
I did not notice that!!!
COMMON GANG lets set our goal and get Richard to 100K posts!!! Do for the kids
I can't think of any sane or fair justification for trading the 55 months that I have remaining on my current Daz+ account for 8 months of the premier subscription. I am sorry that I am a sinner and I believed in Daz enough to invest in a subscription for 5 years. It is insulting to be short-changed because I paid for my subscription when the renewals were on sale at terms that Daz offered at the time of purchase. If no better offer comes forth, I guess I have 55 months to see how the new tiered monthly-only subscriptions experiment pans out
+1
I would happily pay the $9 per month difference between the current cost of DAZ+ and Premier. However, I am not willing to trade 28 months of DAZ+ for only 3 months of Premier. And the amount I originally paid for DAZ+ is irrelevant; it is the current value of DAZ+ that is important.
I would like to think that DAZ Marketing understands that; but I am just one individual so they probably don't care.
I have some questions for the powers that be. I noticed earlier DAZ 4.23 is in DIM ready to download. I was one of the people who was 'afraid/nervous' to download and use 4.21 or 4.22, based on what I read in some of the forums and things some users protrayed. The truth is had I known what I know now, I would not have waited so long. So instead of setting on the fence wondering what's assumptions and what's facts,
I have questions about what debris will fall from the sky and mess with saved renders or work in progress renders if I render while a Premier member but opt out during works in progress? Any as a direct result of cancelling membership? . . . also . . .
Sorry, buddy, I would hate to be in your shoes right now. It reminds me of the US vice presidential debate, with both candidates trying to explain their new bosses. In your case, you're dealing with the mess DAZ just made. I hope you've got a good therapist friend on speed dial.
I am a DAZ Plus member and today I downlaod v4.23 64-bit release version through DIM. All the add on bits are v4.22 (default resources, scene builder, template, and interactive lessons).
As for add-ons being updated to the latest version my experience has been (since 2006) that add-ons may get a few features updates and bug/feature fixes after release when new versions of studio are released, but if there are significant new features it gets released as a new version and maybe an upgrade version.
Therefore all the plug-ins you have now should keep working in the future. if you want a newer version of a plugin that is now integrated into Premier DaZ Studio then you will needd a subscription.
If you want to future proof your DAZ Studio and Content, then download the current version through DIM and copy those zip files to a personal folder along with your content zip files. If you are no longer in DAZ world you can install your copy of DAZ Studio and export your content to Blender where you can geo sculpt, re-texture and everything else to your heart's content. Start learning Blender (blender.org) and free yourself from merchant limits.
I have several versions installed and have to work on different versions because some plug-ins/content that I paid good money for fails in some versions. Each version seems to be a give and take and not all give and takes play well with projects.