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OK, that seems to work. I guess I have to get used to the view port looking really off compared to the finished render. The finished render she looks like she's more on the ground with shadows and everything. The other thing I seem to have an issue with is that the skin tone and the figure looks like a cut out doll compared to the HDR map so the lighting isn't really hitting the figure from one angle or another and after a few tests I see nothing I can do to improved the blendability of the figure to the HDR. This of course is all in the 3Delight side. I've not played around much with IBL Master in iRAY as I'm pretty happy with my results using my iRAY lights I put together or most HDR's with the light source strong enough gives off natural lighting and afect the figures skin as such. Just can't seem to get that in 3DL side of things. Most of the time the extra lights that Parris provided blows out the scene too much so I don't use them. IF there were a way to change the intensity of each of the 6 or 12 lights I'd adjust from there but I don't think those are adjustable....
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Jpg:s don't work very well, I use to set limits off for the light intensity multiplier and crank it up to over 30, and they rarely give any sharp shadows + give grain at default diffuse sample settings(16). I use to atleast double that, may have to go as high as 256 for a close up. IBLM works like a charm with HDRIs in .hdr format. That is what you want I believe? Render faster with less grain at lower sample settings.
ETA: I downloaded a large number of free HDRs and maybe 5% of them actually gave any shadows/light. But if you find any that work well, please post a link;)
Aah I just now saw your beachHDR wa also in .hdr format. Thanks for the link!
Here's the free HDRIs list: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/57531/list-of-sites-with-free-hdri/p1
Unfortunally many of the links are broken but I found a handfull of quality HDRIs;)
OK, so I could only find a JPEG from the link you provided, but the HDR is here: http://www.hdrlabs.com/sibl/archive.html . Unzip the zip, and the one to use is Malibu_Overlook_3k.hdr . Two things about the file name give important hints. First "Overlook", meaning the photographer took the shot from the bluff above the beach, so about the only place she can walk (without distortion or a lot of finagling) and look like her feet are touching the ground if you want her to take up the whole scene is behind (IBL Master Control > Y Rotate -57 in this image). I also rotated the X to -5 because I think the ground at this angle appears to go up hill. Second, 3K is too small when you figure only a small portion of the whole equirectangular HDR map is seen in an average render. So I had to turn depth of field on to hide (somewhat) that the image is not large enough to give high quality background details. Bare in mind that the reason the light contrast and shadows are not more dramatic is about the quality of the dynamic range for the HDRI, not the IBL shader (IBLMLight). Iray results would be similar. But also important is that the skin shaders and presets for 3Delight and Iray are not the same. All I have done to the skin here is turn off velvet, but I would definitely adjust the skin settings further if I was going to try to do something more finished.
Total Rendering Time: 1 minute, 27.38 seconds, CPU: AMD FX 8350
The first screen shot (below) shows the light shader settings I used. There is no need to use other lights (Boost Lights or other).
This second screenshot (below) shows the surface settings for the background (3DLEnvSphere). Diffuse Strength 50%, Ambient Strength 0%.
Uhumm not at my DS machine right now but have you looked at the instruction props found in the content library/props/Parris/IBL Master? I think you can adjust lightning intensity for those additional lights. And the env. sphere surface can be tweaked too independently of the IBLM light intensity.
Right now I'm fleshing out more documentation and adding the FAQ on my website here: https://www.chrisparrishdesign.com/ibl-master/
You can track my progress there if you like. More images and FAQ are coming. Then I will make a PDF version and add it in the next product update.
Yea, whomever owns that thread needs to take a little while and recatagorize the first post. Get rid of the broken links and put the Non Commercial only in it's own category. I don't every buy or download stuff with those restrictions. Waste of my time!
Thank you. Most helpful. I'll bookmark your site in my Start.Me start up page so it will be shared to all my browsers! I love that start page!
By the by... is that calendar on your website free? If so can you point me to that or PM me with the code? I really like the simplicity of it. It's quite elegant.
https://www.chrisparrishdesign.com/daz-studio/realism-daz-studio-3delight-and-gamma-correction-demystified/
Yes, well the whole CMS is free (Wordpress) and the calendar is a standard widget which is a part of the distribution. Pretty much all the websites I've designed in the last ten years are built on WordPress. I highly recommend it!
Good to know. I build mine with Web Plus by Serif and they are going to be releasing a new one under their new Affinity line. I like Affinity Photo, not worked with Designer yet (vector program) but the Affinity Publisher for web and pdf is something I'm looking forward too allot! Thanks! :-)
...here are bioth the IBL light settings and Render settings I used for Progressive rendering. (thank you Richard for the tip).
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Looking ok to my eyes, except you could probably set max raytrace depth to 1, which should speed up rendering. It's really only if you have several overlapping transparent surfaces with reflections/refraction that you need to encrease raytrace depth. And pixel samples 32x32 in render settings is what I would call overkill, but I know you have problems with jaggies so I understand why you had to crank it up. A more normal setting at 8x8 or 10x10 would speed up rendering considerably. I posted a workaround for you in the laboratory thread, go check it out!
..OK I launched another Progressive test only to get this message in the History pane:
It also takes about 7 minutes for the process to begin actually rendering to the render window. Usually by 7 minutes it is 76% - 77% complete.
I changed no settings from what I was using last night
..the scene does have multiple transparencies with reflections, the shelter windows and phone booth behind as well as the windows of the bus.
I saw the post in the 3DL Lab thread. I rarely use DOF because I am not very fond of blurred backgrounds in wide/long "shots"like this (again, I used to be a painter)
Here is a tip, thought I'd share it if somebody runs into the same trouble. I placed a character in front of a big house and had the sun come from behind. The sunlight ignored the house so I set raytrace distance in the IBLM light settings to 20000 instead of the default 350 and that fixed it. See attached quickrenders:
Trace distance 350
Trace distance 20000
Totally ok if you don't want to try it:) But setting the focal distance slightly behind that bag and upping F/stop from default 22 to something like 200 would give you very little blur, just about the same amount as those filters in default render settings, or like stronger antialiasing.
...I'd also have to move the two girls as the case is on the same plane with the one on the left and if I move her back her hand collides with the one on the right.
When I get this solved, there is an issue with the right tail light of the car I need to look into (present in both modes)
After that I need to figure how to get the cityscape back in there as I like the fact the environment dome sky has a lot more depth, but while I can make the sky portion of the photo transparent, I cannot do the same for the plane the image is attached to.
So far 1h:05m and still 11% to go.
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ETA:
Final render time: 1 hour 25 minutes 3.71 seconds.
...and the bad anti aliasing is still there.
I’ve been running renders for the last four hours using this product and it is amazingly fast, as promised. It’s the first time I’ve felt like my Radeon r9 has ever shined in Daz. However, I’ve run into a few problems.
The first has to do with iray skin materials. They seem rather flat in the 3delight render. Do we need to use 3delight materials? If so are there any g8 figures i with 3delight materials?
The second has to do with eye colors. For some reason all of them, both iray and 3delight, seem to turn into a murky lackluster color.
And the third is probably operator error but I need some help with it. I followed the instruction for adding a light and messed a bit with intensity but it really seemed to have very little affect on the character. When you say center the light do you mean that we are to put it onto the item we want hit with light? When I center it using the rotation parameters the light is always behind the character.
Hello, Can it be a Surface Shader Issue ?
Yes if you render in 3DL you need to use 3DL shaders. You can find a covertion script here. Haven't tried it myself, you probably have to tweak the materials after converting;)
Hard to say without seeing an example, Iray shaders in 3DL usually look bad, 3DL eyemats should work pretty much out of the box with IBLM.
What kind of light is that? Spot, linear pointlight or other? And for 3DL?
Shading rate can have a sharpening effect (like unsharp mask in Photoshop). So it could make jaggys more noticable, particularly when you have a bright highlight on a dark schoolbag. And it increases render times significantly as you use smaller values. What happens when you use a Shading Rate of 1 or a little less?
Oh, you probably didn't notice that kyoto kid has "progressive" on in that screen!
The raytracer is invoked = shading rate is out of the picture. It's a REYES-only thing (for the non-tech folks: only meaningful in the default mode).
Moreover, any pixel filter settings are invalid in the progressive mode. The warning has been suppressed in DS, but the fact remains:
Progressive mode effectively uses no filters (technically it uses a 1x1 box filter, but it's essentially the same as no filter).
This is why it is more prone to aliasing, but without scripted rendering (which KK does not want to get involved with, as I remember), there is no other way to access the raytracer in DS. Sad but true.
TL;DR:
In progressive, playing with shading rate or filter type/width will not have any effect. The renderer does not use these values.
kyoto kid - I'd drop pixel samples down to 12x12 max, render out twice as large and then run a good 1x1 gaussian filter in an image editor.
The current recommended filter for pathtracing in 3Delight is 2x2 gaussian. That's reconstruction filter which is mathematically not the same as doing this in an image editor, and yet.
REYES needed sharpening, hence sinc being the default.
Path-tracing is beyond sharp by default. Every pathtracer uses a soft filter these days.
Hugely valuable information! Thank you, Kettu!
You're most welcome, Parris =)
I’m sorry for the lack of clarity. I was talking about the boost lights that come with your program. Ive tried number 1 & 4. I’ll try to post the a screen shot later as I’m not at the computer right now. Here is the image I was working on. (Girl in grass) I could not get very good shadows on her, except on the face, and was not sure if that was because it’s iray skin materials or if I was doing something else wrong. I was using awesome anime eyes and am including a screenshot of their advert for reference. https://www.daz3d.com/awesome-anime-eyes
...it is an old product (part of the A3 Shoolgirl uniform), however it renders fine in both Iray and 3DL Bucket mode. Just 3DL Progressive is where I am seeing the issue.