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I had to redo the middle pose because it really wasn't a good transition to the lower jump. Oh, and just because I'm a stubborn diehard, these are all Genesis figures. So there!
Here's my reference photos. I played the most with the top one, combining a couple of poses and giving her a salute. The other two are pretty close to the photos, because I'm not trying to copy them exactly, just use them as a starting point.
For my render, I'm still messing with the lighting. As to the floating pot in the open window, I plan on putting a surprised woman in the room. I'll get there.
Poses with two people tangled together are very difficult, so I applaud your effort.
I think your piece needs more tension, but you may not need to do much to achieve this. Your limbs are very close - add some flexion to the arms especially.
Notice these few tension points on your ref photo: a) the perpendicular left thumb of the top girl; b) the slightly arched back of the top girl, and most importantly, c) the expressions. Err on the side of exaggeration rather than subtlety. Make sure that the expressions are asymmetrical - that's what makes them realistic.
The top girl has her teeth clenched, not just her mouth open. Keep her teeth together and pull the top lip up, and bottom lip down. Flex her cheeks as much as possible. You can hear her groaning in her anger.
The bottom girl looks like she has her teeth together. Lower the inner brows and raise the outside brows to add to that smug triumphant look. Flex her cheeks also. Not sure if your girl has her eyes open or not, but they should be slightly open.
This is very cute. The main difference from the ref photo is that the girls want the pizza but are not trying to take it - because they know they will get some. If you want a little more of the turtle free-for-all, here's some suggestions.
For all of them - eyes: Pan your view so that you are facing each girl, i.e., your view is what they are looking at. Superimpose your view with the Pizza girl and with each girl in turn. It will be easier to point their eyes in the right place.
Expressions: Unfortunately, turtle faces don't give you much to work from. Google pictures of children who are exited and laughing and use them as reference. Remember to make the expressions asymmetrical. I would expect someone in the next room would hear laughing and excited screaming.
All the girls after the pizza: they all need to lean forward - they are jumping after this pizza (looks pretty yummy by the way). Put their weight on the leading foot. The girl to the right may even be off balance, which is why she is putting her weight on the girl in front of her.
I'm at max bend, didn't try to unlock the limits yet, I will give it a try.
It did seen unnatural
It is possible, I tried the limits already :). But then the head comes to close to the leg. I think the atonomy of the 2 figures is to different to get an exact match. And my knowledge it to limited to deal with that.
The foot pose is a bit of floating between natural and what looks good. But thanks fot your nice words and everybody else of course. There is still some time. Back to the drawingboard :)
tweaks...thanks for the help. It's difficult at first.
"Know your moves"
Well worth the effort though Gallows. You have done a very good job with a challenging pose.
One last thing - get the balls of her feet firmly on the ground. Other than that, great job!
The arms poses are really coming very close to the original, good work on the hair as well. Remember there are pectorals to move, I think it would look better to move them up following the arm movement. The feet still need a little twist.
Thank-you. These are great suggestions and I'm still working through them. I went as far as to create cameras parented to every head so I could "see through their eyes" - it seemed to help but not quite right yet. Also waffling over how aggressive to make the little ones (that white upholstery won't appreicate pizza sauce...). Here's an update work in progress...
Wow, that's WAY better! Great expressions on the pizza hounds, and I can feel the action. Looks like the girl on the right is just about to jump on the pizza girl.
Ah, it's a virtual couch anyway, so who cares about pizza sauce?
How about widening the eyes of the pizza girl - so we can see that she is realizing her predicament could get very messy in a moment...
I just noticed that there are two mirrors in the scene. Play around with their positioning, and you can give us the same action at a different angle.
OK, I'm an admitted skeptic concerning Victoria 7, as seen by my activity in recent discussions. So, I decided, skeptic that I am, to see just how flexible V7 really is. So I dug up a picture of a contortionist I found years ago. I know that Genesis can't do this, and had never tried contorting G2, so I wanted to see if I could break V7.
Hmm. Turns out she does pretty good. Can't get the pose exactly, because V7 needs a third abdomen to do this, but not bad I would say. Does this convince me to go out and buy G3 stuff... the jury is still out.
It will need some postwork to add the flow of tea into the cup.
[Edit - need to resize the ref pic, it's too big]
@dracorn Wow! If had seen the V7 render without seeing the reference, I would have thought that a very NOT realistic pose. But you did do it very well!
I honestly TRIED to break V7, really!
There is some distortion at the top of the buttocks which you can't see from this side. I also could not get the abdominal bends to match the photo - maybe if Vicky 7 had a third abdominal bone it would work (are you hearing this, frank0314? Give Vicky 8 another bone in her abdomen!)
When I tried to produce the abdominal bends, the lower chest gave me fits - it distorted at the shoulder blades and jutted out funny when I tried the hard bend. But all in all, it produced the pose, and I must say I'm impressed.
I think I'm getting a little closer...
very nice Dracorn. looking at the ref pic, her leg seems to be over her head but yours is off to the side? I understand the limitations with Vicky's bends but if you place her leg over her head more like the ref it might look alittle more realistic?
SeventhSerpent, I think his shoulder needs to drop and maybe move back just a little? and her eyes I think need to look up more so it looks like she's looking into his.
His shoulder is definitely in the wrong place. Now I just have to get it to move without messing up the hands... Will have to see what I can do with the IK chains.
Maybe it's just me, but I thought she wasn't looking at him. Will have to look closer. :)
It isn't just you. To me it appears she is looking off to her left.
To me it looks like she is looking at his nose, if she was looking up just a little more so she's looking into his eyes.
(I'm just learning so there might be a better way but I find it helps me if I put a camera in the head where the eyes are so it makes it easer to see what they are seeing, if that makes sense?)
I think I understand the confusion. Theseventhserpent has his/her female figure looking off to her left because that is what the woman in his/her reference image is doing. Normally you would expect a couple that is dancing together to be looking at each other but in this image the woman is looking past her partner to I am guessing someone else.
thank-you for the kind words of encouragement...wrapped around more challenge ;-)
I'm playing with the mirrors, and using trial and error instead of knowledge, I can see this is going to be a long night before I even have a next draft to share...
If I have the mirrors able to reflect the scene, then they also potentially should reflect the photographer/viewer. I've tried not to get sucked into making a grand recursive statement (in theory the camera lens would relfect the image in the mirror...and so on and so on), and other than a bit of leg and torso, the photographer is not really visible.
let's try the image upload again...looks like it didn't make it...
Hello there. I'd like to toss my hat in the ring for the first time if I may. I still need to noodle on background and what to texture the bodysuit with, but here's where I'm currently at. I would love any suggestions/recommendations. Thanks!
I just watched the short film the image is from. She does look him in the eye nearly all of the time (whilst dancing), in this shot I think she is looking at his left eye (its hard to concentrate on both at once :D). I still think 7thSerpent needs to make her look up a little so it looks like she's looking him in the eye.
Kaliadder, I think you pretty much nailed it :D
I might help to compare the two images if you had a balance beam in your scene. I simple primitive would do it. I can't tell, but it looks like her left foot is off slightly. In the reference, her head is dead center in the balance beam and her left foot should be near that center, too. In your picture, without a beam for reference, it looks like the foot needs to be adjusted more in line with her head. It could just be the angle and the fact that the point of reference that the balance beam gives is missing that makes me think that. Even if you don't keep it later, adding it in while we try to help with your pose might be beneficial. That left foot, also, isn't as twisted as the reference. We should be able to see more of the bottom of her foot. Otherwise, it is a great pose. You've done a great job so far.
Watching a short film certainly trumps a still image.
I agree with Knittingmommy that a balance beam would be helpful for comparisons.
Well done on the pose.
Ugh, I do feel kind of sick looking at this but you did a great job with the pose, I believe the original has a bit more of a side twist in her hip, but that is kind of nitpicking.