Anyone else a bit concerned by the pivot towards adult content?
Pancake
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I knew it would only be a matter of time, it's the best selling content no doubt. There's anatomical morphs which I believe has never directly happened before, pubic hair, and the store page for Cheyenne has a completely nude image.
In some ways I'm glad about this - variety is good, having adult content directly available from DAZ's quality control, and seeing the full skin before purchasing is a good pivot towards transparency. (Though the old method of using a skimpy bra didn't exactly hide much)
However given that the majority of clothing released has always been little more than a lingerie catalogue, I was hoping that G9 would eventually pivot to have a bit more believable variety on sale.
I'm worried that this might be a pivot towards leaning fully into being seen as little more than assets for those creepy uncanny valley adult renders.
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It's a good thing. Presentation is neither lewd nor lascivious, nothing especially adult or pornographic going on. We get better knowledge of what we're buying and we can buy a few products we'd otherwise buy elsewhere. I like it a lot better than the EL stuff.
Somewhat, but for different reasons. I'm not really bothered by more adult-themed content, I'm worred that people who don't want to see such content might not be able to filter it out. The shopping experience on Daz Store is lacking and the tags are very basic.
Like, I can't filter out bundles from my results, what are the chances I'll be able to filter out extreme skimpwear?
I don't necessarily have a problem with more adult themed content.
It's just that we've had this problem for way longer than I've been here where adult content is the best selling content, so PAs are motivated by that.
It just seems like the possibility of ever getting a decent variety of normal clothes, particularly male clothes, is slipping further and further away.
I like Adult Content. However, there should be a filter that gives the option to exclude it, or show only adult content.
Images are filtered by default, that has to be overridden (per page or generally via the account settings) if desired. So far the main issue has been overenthusiastic application of the filtering.
I'm not sure yet how I like it, or if I care. I was kind of confused with the bare chests and all showing up all of a sudden, cause I hadn't known that this would be acceptable from now on. It's not much of a deal I guess, Rendo's been doing it like this for ages, and like the others said, the images I saw were not lewd at all, just some more bare skin. Still, it makes me feel - dunno, a bit uncomfortable, cause they look so real and I haven't even been introduced ...
I know we have the filter now, but the application still seems a bit random to me. Maybe give it some more time.
I don't have taboos about nudity or pubic hair and I turned off the filter. I didn't even notice.
One word...FINALLY! Nice to see DAZ going in the right direction IMO. I know there are plenty of users that never render anyone nude, but 80% of my projects have nudity and adult themes in them. I don't make a point of purchasing characters here because of not being able to see the complete product, but it loooks like that has changed and i am thrilled because those hidden details are important in what assets I use in a scene.
Nope. Because it's been a long time coming, and I welcome it.
I have no problem with adult content and think that realistic anatomy/detail adds to the power to create realistic images. Having said that I 100% agree with Pancake that the problem is the lack of "normal" content, especially if you want to create images with normal females. I know someone here said the adult (skimpwear) content sells but can it really be true that people only feel the need to buy yet another themed bikini set?
Concerned about being able to see exactly what I'm buying? No, not at all.
Chiming in as someone with approximately a 0% chance of producing art that involves nudes, much less p**n, and somewhere south of 1% chance of creating anything with skimpware, I'm OK with it, so long as there's still fair PA time invested on "ordinary life" stuff for the rest of us, eg, clothes that the general population, including males, wear while living ordinary life either now or at some point in history. A healthy marketplace with lots of great stuff available for everyone is good for ... well, everyone.
Concerned? No. Surprised? Yes.
The DAZ store in the last couple of years has been notable by how prudish it has been, and this seems to be a new direction.
Regards,
Richard
Not only nude pictures but products that were never available on DAZ. I dislike having to go elsewhere and then try to figure out how to use my new product.
Very much welcomed. Positive surprise that even DAZ original figures like the new Cheyenne 9 does at least include one preview where one can see the character skin completely.
I think it's a bit of a stretch to call this a "pivot". Male-M3dia, for example, has been making morphs for male genitalia for a while, but has always had to be coy about how they're advertised on product pages. Now, following CGI Secret Details' example, they can just include promo images of the morphs. Cheyenne is (I believe) the first core figure to include nude promos. Both of the above give customers a clearer idea of what they're buying than they used to get. I wouldn't say that the content available has become significantly more "adult" since the change, we just have more information about products now.
I'm okay with nude content as long as it's done in a way that simply displays what the product is and not what the product can do (if that makes sense). Cheyenne has a nude image, but it's in the most basic way possible and clearly exists to show the details of the model. If it showed her being nude doing suggestive things-that would cross the line and would require the mature filter.
With all this said, I also do not want to see the Daz store shift to suggestive, explict content and use mature images sparingly, only when needed or logical to sell the product.
I think it's entirely fair for folk to see what they're buying before they buy it. Will I ever render that level of detail? No. But it annoys the crap out of me when I can't see the back of an outfit when I'm considering buying it, so I figure it's like that, for people shopping for that stuff.
Personally, I'm more turned off by all the pose/expression sets marked "feminine" that really mean "seductive/sexy/demure" and the ones marked "masculine" that actually mean "aggressive." Can we join the modern age, please?
And like others, I'd like to see more balance.
There have been such in the store for well over a decade. The big difference is they are letting PAs to do their take on such products whereas before what DAZ 3D did was all you were going to have made available. It is definately a rational and mature business decision that helps DAZ 3D and the PAs, while removing the forbidden apple aspect that garners far more attention for such things, for all the wrong reasons, than they deserve.
yeah, I was shocked that private parts were being shown, right down to male penis, foreskin or not. Its a shock considering how strict it has been here, not for the content finally being shown
Surprised at the nudity, but not at more adult products. As others have said, some of the outfits for the female characters have been barely there since V4.
Didn't fetish and pinup artists pioneer these programs in the early days of the internet? I thought Daz started out that way with all the sexy clothing items they've offered sinc the begining.
I don't mind if Daz has a human sort through and put the appopriate products in a mature content category. I'm another life drawer and have no issue with nudity, but think it's sensible to keep pornographic content out of the main search results.
I'm glad I can buy the products through the Daz store - I am very lazy when it comes to installing and tracking third party content.
I checked the product when it popped up and I didn't even notice the nude image. I mean I obviously saw it but the nudity didn't register until you mentioned it here. I mean it's not like there's much to see so not sure how it even would classify as an "adult content". You can't see the private parts... at least not in the image I saw as there appears to be just a smooth pelvis, so not even an anatomically correct nude. Actually I dont' see how this counts any more nude than the clay renders just because it's now skin colored?
Concerned? More like relieved that DAZ seems to have finally started to embrace the fact that they've been crippling themselves for years when it comes to being taken seriously as resource for artists. It's just a shame that they have to come to this conclusion only as the wave of AI art generators is syphoning away a large part of the potential market that finally has their "make art" button.
Yes, that is to be feared. I can see the Rendo exodus dumping tonnes of skimpwear into the Daz store alongside lots of interesting items, as well as tonnes of new white chicks... So just what is already here in abundance and clogging up the channels to more variety for good.
As a european I am probably a bit more relaxed when it comes to nudity than many people in North America. In the end I guess it's simply a business decision. Just go to DeviantArt and search for DAZStudio. The vast majority of the results will be females in various states of undressing, so there's clearly a market.
Well, if you render a character in Daz Studio it will be nude anyway until you add clothing. Usually I apply morphs to the loaded figure until I get the character I desire.
It may make sense to apply a filter for images characterized as nudity, but otherwise it makes no sense that certain assets can not be shown before sold. I'm a european as well.
It's a good thing! A nude body can't be offensive. At least now we can see exactly what we are buying!!!