Should props be logical?
pixelquack
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Have a look at the toilet in "Vintage Bathroom", SKU 52291. Good luck flushing that. Easy enough to fix with Geometry Editor, some props and shaders to attach a pipe that makes sense, but shouldn't the props be at least that logical? Would this qualify as a product bug?
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My short answer is not necessarily.... Here in the United States, we have a pretty long history of situation comedies (single camera humorous television series) with iconic apartments and houses which rarely were plausible. I remember an architect showing how many of the doors in Seinfeld's apartment made no sense. Likewise, there is a long history in movies to have older actors play younger characters (20-year olds playing high school students) or middle agedopera singers playing winting teen protagonists. Art requires a certain level of artistic license. If the artist promises that they are selling an exact replica of something, then assume it is a stage prop. No, this is not a bug... no more than having dragons and unicorns in the store which are not biologicaly accurate.
Not sure what your problem is with the toilet PixelQuack, just google vintage toilet under the image option
and you will find those in real life.
However, Nlnot a bug, as there is no expectation that it is functional. Hopefully the promos will always show enough detail so buyers can determine if the level of detail and accuracy meets their needs, and if it isn't clear in the promos, you can make a return for any reason.
Not as much as you think. Here is a real tiolet and as you can see, the drain rises above the bowl in order to creat the water seal.
Above the bottom of the bowl, yes.
Above the top? No.
The design in the product would overflow over the floor every time it was flushed - the drain is higher than the brim of the bowl:
That's my point, if something is advertised as "Vintage Bathroom", not as "TV comedy prop room" I expect it to be faithful to reality to at least a certain degree. If you look at certain bath tubs with feet in other bathroom environments for example they will often enough not have a drain pipe from the bottom to the ground as probably nobody will ever look there, and there, too, the fix is easy enough. There are tons of props out there that are real life approximations for much the same use as a movie set, create an idea of a situation. Nobody would expect a landline phone in a set to be actually wired to a paid landline so ti actually works, but the cables should be there. (btw I'd pay real money for cables, tubes etc that you can tie to two ends and have them IK move... but that's another story for another thread.)
Dennisgray41, Faryl Womyn, your examples have the drain pipe integrated into the cermaic base going into the floor.
You would think so, but as has been discussed in many threads, DAZ apparently doesn't consider it an issue if a product described as a Jet that is clearly a propellor plane, if a "vintage movie projector" actually has the workings of a videocassette recorder, or a set of "medivial armor" has high heels and a peek-a-boo belly. As such, the store is awash with things like rooms that lack any method of entry and toilets without seats or proper plumbing, much of which is often unusable if you're trying to build a completely realistic image.
I get the point, but if the plane's propeller was on top of the wings facing upwards, would you wishlist it?
You mean like the Boeing V22 Osprey?
Yes, I would..
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Richard
That's a tilt rotor ;) (And quite a sight live I can tell)
High heels on medieval armor are actually legit. Stiletto heels not so much, but high heels, yes.
High heels on medieval armor are not legit since for the starters, the actual Persian shoewear with higher heels is no earlier than maybe Tudors when it starts showing in Europe at all, for the second it's about as high as heels in pumps at best, and finally all medieval harness plate sabatons have either flat soles, or no soles at all since they are strapped over the regular flat footwear.
High heels for medieval knights a wonderful internet urban legend, but an urban legend nonetheless.
that is a really skinny pipe on the wall so maybe water supply going to the cistern and the other one plumbed into the wall exiting the cistern to flush it down a pipe that exits underneath
I absolutely look for accurate details on props, and structural accuracy on architectural elements. Basic research is not too much to ask for.
THe model may not be perfect, but no reason to expect it wouldn't work. I found photos of similar toilets - It's just a toilet with a wall-mounted tank, isn't it?
Except for the drain pipe... If one flushes that toilet, the water will overflow as the seat is lower than the drain pipe.
I see. Ok. It's a prop made with no research. Well, that's just the way it goes sometimes. People guess instead of looking it up.
https://www.familyhandyman.com/list/how-a-toilet-works/
So, the drain and trap are inside the porcelain (molded in, part of the porcelain) at the back of the bowl and the water should go down through the drain pipe in the floor under the toilet. This prop has some sort of weird porcelain pipe at the back that manages to rise above the rim of the bowl and exits through the wall of the bathroom. As others noted, it doesn't work that way. So, now we know 10% more about toilets.
Same here.