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That's not going to please the ai-hating artists out there, unless you are using one of the models they consider ethical(which is none of them). You would have to train a new model from scratch, or they gonna come with pitchforks and torches. A LORA is leveraging all the "stolen artwork" of the base model.
While AI is interesting to play with - maybe testing out possible scenarios/idea springboard before work on something using 3D content - there's a lot of it out there. It can make some good images but it kinda takes the joy (and stress) out of making something unique.
There may be alot of very similar clown images floating around soon,
I agree that a post like this has no place in the commons when the AI studio has its own forum.
Most people pay no attention to the different forums unless they are a regular to that particular one. Plenty of people hide all the other forums so they don't have to see them. That is why these types of announcements are always started in the commons and then told to go xyz for further discussion.
Why not set the post as a sticky at the top of the page with a redirect and then close the thread? If we could hide threads from view, then it might not matter. As it is, gotta see it every time one visits. Vomitous!
No, Daz, no...
I mean, AI art does have its time and place. I use it when I want to whip up a quick character protrait for TTRPG, or something along those lines. But, this is like Nikon or Canon selling subscriptions ot MS Paint. We're here for the creativity.
I'd rather have an AI concept/challenge generator. Rather than me telling the AI what to make, have an AI give me ideas for what *I* can make when I'm in a creative slump.
Daz 5 would also be cool as hell, with updated iRay drivers to utilize the features that the 40-series cards can use...
Agreed!
Yeah it would be nice to have Daz Studio 5, my guess with this AI thing is for those who do not have a beefy computer, and or a lot of money to spend on content. Well after a few experiments I will stick with what I have with Daz Studio, I know this is early days for this AI thing but right now it is very primative in what it can do.
So basically this is your standard AI image generation site with a few extra steps.
Daz AI Studio seems like an interesting alternative for those who want to generate images online without investing in local GPU hardware.
My main concern with Daz Studio is that I am not anymore satisfied with the quality-to-time relationship of Daz Studio Iray and the style of the images it renders.
What I am hoping for at this time is an offline version of Daz AI Studio that uses Stable Diffusion in combination with a 3d2img tool.
All purchased 3D licenses could be useable as input.
A checkpoint trained by Daz Productions Inc could be a welcome reliable solution for commercial purposes.
In addition customers could be able to load a Stable Diffusion checkpoint of their own to get the exact look they want.
A flexible node graph based UI could be provided for advanced users.
In any case I am curious to see where this leads.
As noted later, what Daz is using is called a Lora. A Lora is an add on to an already existing Checkpoint model. The base model checkpoint is built off of billions of images, I rather doubt Daz or any modest sized company has the ability to do that. A Lora can be trained on far fewer images, even just a dozen. I am sure Daz used a lot more than that, at least I hope so. At any rate, Daz did not create a checkpoint. So the concerns about where the data was collected still remain for the checkpoint Daz is using. Considering that the output images are around 1024 pixels in size, I am guessing they are using Stable Diffusion XL. That is just a guess. They could be using a custom version of SDXL. They may also be using multiple Loras, too. It would make sense to have a dedicated Lora for each product. So Victoria could be her own Lora. This would allow Daz to expand what is offered. Instead of remaking the Lora every time they just add a new Lora with the new stuff.
That is my guess for what is happening when you click on each item. When you click on V9, it adds her Lora. Click on Alchemist Shop, it adds another Lora. Click on Candle Light, another Lora. Each get added.
The images that have been shown so far look nothing like images rendered by Daz Studio Iray. That could be a positive or a negative depending on your view. The data in the checkpoint is a factor in that, and of course there are going to be things people prompt that have never been a Daz product before.
Are those images you generated with AI starting from a DAZ render? The likeness is really good.
Ask a good friend, who is known to create amazing renders, to make you a render by your ideas of a scene.
This friend has seen a lot of renders before and has a huge resource of inspiration.
He comes up with a choice of renders, and you have to pick one.
You post this render and you take all credits for this.
That is the situation of generative AI.
My clientbase would drop me like a hot potato if they thought I was using AI please do not put this in Daz studio
Just noticed something about the example images the dForce Winter Trendy Outfit for Genesis 8 Female(s) is withdrawn from the shop now is the original PA getting something for this having closed thier store?
I have a question.
The 'Free Plan' has a monthly limit of images. How many?
If it's specified, it's not where I have looked.
Regards,
Richard
In the FAQ at the bottom of the promo page. The first two FAQ's https://www.daz3d.com/ai
So is this the only ai thing planned? Because I remember there was a character maker thing that had a trailer. As for what's currently avalible, it's alright so far. Wish it would let me use more of the products I have, but it's an interesting idea, though not enough to make me want to subscribe tbh.
Thanks. Apparently 25 per month.
Okay I tried with the same prompt I used in other AI generators, and the result looks like a combination of GPT-4, DALL·E 3 and Google Imagen 2, but nothing like a DAZ studio render nor does it seem to be using DAZ products... WEIRD
Don't get me wrong I like the results, but it kind of kills the purpose of DAZ Studio. If I can't achieve my desired results within DS I might blame myself for being incompetent or that I don't have the 'required' products and I will buy more. But if I can't achieve my desired result within DAZ AI Studio, I might just blame the AI generator and quit altogether... having a new source of income is good in the short run, but will it ruin your business in the long run? Nobody knows perhaps
Not much different than using other people's digital creations and making renders of them. Like having a friend who is good at modeling, rigging, texturing, making lights etc and asking if you can pose them for a render, Also, making AI images is more than just making a simple prompt if you want to make a good image. Aren't most of making art with other people's creations?
I made a longer rant, but it will suffice writing this instead - I am grateful for this move. It will finally push me to learn Blender instead. I started watching tutorial videoes now. Having used Daz since 2018, and being stuck with it since because of sunk cost, I am finally able to move on!
@ Mr Bowen
would you call photographers artists?
After all, they didn't built their motives either.
BTW
Your point is just not a point in DS, but also becoming more and more a point in Unreal Engine with its growing data base.
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Has DAZ identified the dataset used for training?
If this is Stable Diffusion trained on a training set that consists exclusively of images that DAZ created using DAZ Studio and DAZ content, I'm sort of lukewarm on it. I still have reservations about the way latent diffusion image generators get used to replace human artists, but OK. Maybe not for me -- I've sort of cooled on AI generators, and not only for ethical reasons -- but it would be nice to see one with a clean training set.
If this is Stable Diffusion trained on a training set that includes items from DAZ's gallery, used without the consent of their creators, that's pretty problematic.
If this is Stable Diffusion trained on LAION-2B-EN or something like that and then customized with a LoRA derived from DAZ's own content or gallery content, then no, just no.
And if this is Stable Diffusion trained on some of the content that Stability AI recently got caught (allegedly) scraping from Midjourney, then DAZ could get caught up in Stability AI's legal issues, which would not be good.
We are not going to turn this into a "what is a real artist" type thread. Please refrain from such discussions. Everybody has an opinion and they are entitled to it. There is no right or wrong and the discussion is always heated and goes downhill super quick.