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I want to return the "New" Scene menu item to the old behavior. How?

hillwater@hotmail.com[email protected] Posts: 35
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I want to return the "New" Scene menu item to it's old behavior. How?

Before this latest update (4.22.0.1), a single click cleared and opened a new default scene. Now a new default scene is four clicks deep. How do you disable the "New Scene" pop-up window? I don't need recent files, I know where my favorites are, I just want a new scene when I click that option. Thank you.

Note to DAZ: I visit the Daz Store daily. I don't need your store interupting my workflow.

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  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 7,287
    edited November 2023

    An interim solution:

    Create an empty scene as a template with the render settings you usually use. Save it in your user's Daz Library. Create a custom action for the scene file.

    F3 in DS, assign Ctrl + N to it. Then assign a Ctrl + Shift + N to the new 'New...' dialogue, just in case one day you may need it.Drag the action to Menu Bar and Tool Bar as needed.

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  • hillwater@hotmail.com[email protected] Posts: 35

    Thank you.

     

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 101,482

    ctrl n, followed by enter, is only two key press actions.

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 7,287
    edited November 2023

    But on quite a lot of people's machines, it's still slow / freezing before they can press Enter, and after pressing Enter, Viewport is still freezed for seconds before they can click a single mouse button...

    I'm one of them, with quite a robust PC and big bandwidth internet connection, but no avail. I got lots of same feedback from my subcribers' chat group.

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  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,626

    Cool. I already had my custom settings saved for both Opening scene and New. Opening scene seems to still be intact.

    If New is still the one I set up, I'll revert for a bit to see the new one.

     

    As much as I might not like feeling 'tampered with', I am all for Daz 3d trying to make new users feel more at home. Looking forward to seeing the new stuff.

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,626

    Um... Wow! I wasn't going to try the New scene until after I finish rendering this animation I aborted to upgrade. I started the new Daz Studio and started to load my animation, then typed the above few lines.

    By the time I hit Send, my animation was already loaded - ready to render. That was Really Fast compared to what used to be normal!

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,626

    hillwater said:

    Note to DAZ: I visit the Daz Store daily. I don't need your store interupting my workflow.

    Wait... can we browse the store inside the New Scene popup?

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 7,287

    Dartanbeck said:

    Cool. I already had my custom settings saved for both Opening scene and New. Opening scene seems to still be intact.

    If New is still the one I set up, I'll revert for a bit to see the new one.

     

    As much as I might not like feeling 'tampered with', I am all for Daz 3d trying to make new users feel more at home. Looking forward to seeing the new stuff.

    I agree on the point to some extent...but meanwhile, don't neglect old-timers... That's why I suggested add a checkbox in Preferences that'll make more sense for all. See how Adobe Phothoshop ever did...

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 7,287
    edited November 2023

    Dartanbeck said:

    Um... Wow! I wasn't going to try the New scene until after I finish rendering this animation I aborted to upgrade. I started the new Daz Studio and started to load my animation, then typed the above few lines.

    By the time I hit Send, my animation was already loaded - ready to render. That was Really Fast compared to what used to be normal!

    60%+ time saving... I've been experiencing such an improvement for nearly a year with PB version. Thumbs up!

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  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 7,287

    Dartanbeck said:

    hillwater said:

    Note to DAZ: I visit the Daz Store daily. I don't need your store interupting my workflow.

    Wait... can we browse the store inside the New Scene popup?

    Nope, very limited. It'll bring you to the online store...

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,626

    I decided to stop the render and check out the new page, which I then used to reload the scene. Kind of cool. 

    New animations in there? Example Scenes? Seems pretty cool. I won't be using it anymore, but I think it's a nice little thing. I'd probably have used it for a while if I was just starting out.

    Um... Adobe Photoshop... Hmmm...

    Let's just say that this cat is an Adobe fan no longer and am now a proud (and happy) user of Affinity Photo!

     

    I called them trying to negotiate a non-subscription license and they asked for a credit card number to continue the conversation. I simply cannot do subscription software. My Daz + Membership is simply me paying a little in advance to my Art Department Team.

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 7,287

    Dartanbeck said:

    I decided to stop the render and check out the new page, which I then used to reload the scene. Kind of cool. 

    New animations in there? Example Scenes? Seems pretty cool. I won't be using it anymore, but I think it's a nice little thing. I'd probably have used it for a while if I was just starting out.

    Um... Adobe Photoshop... Hmmm...

    Let's just say that this cat is an Adobe fan no longer and am now a proud (and happy) user of Affinity Photo!

     

    I called them trying to negotiate a non-subscription license and they asked for a credit card number to continue the conversation. I simply cannot do subscription software. My Daz + Membership is simply me paying a little in advance to my Art Department Team.

    I understand.. but I've been with Ps for so many years, not easy to give it up. But I use Affinity Designer instead of Illustrator. I prefer to the former much better !

  • ShelLuserShelLuser Posts: 749

    This is defnitely one of the most annoying changes in the new version so far... I seriously dislike it, already went over the "About plugins" section in hopes that we might be able to prevent the whole wizzard pane from loading but no such luck it seems. I also completely fail to understand the logic here.. when I want a new scene I want just that: a new scene, and a bit quickly if it can be helped.

    I think this pane would have been much more useful as an extended load option. I mean, there is some value in being able to quickly open scenes you previously worked on, but NOT when all I want is to quickly clear my current scene in order to continue working by dragging a new figure in and work on a new pose or morph or whatever.

    Of course the Daz documentation site decided to give up on me with errors making it even more difficult to check up on how I should create such a custom action, which only adds up to my agitation. Never done this before...  ugh!  Eventually I figured it out, thanks to Google and another 3D website... 

    SO... here's to those of us who like me never created a custom action before while also wondering how to get rid of this annoying wizzard:

    • Fire up Daz Studio where you should be met with an empty scene; if not empty then you'll have to go through this annoying new scene wizzard.
    • Immediately use: File => Save as.. => Scene. Name it "Empty scene" or something.
    • Optionally (but highly recommended): Go to your content library pane, find this new empty scene in "My Daz Library => Scenes" and after you confirmed its existance: create a new folder in your library called "Templates" then move the empty scene file in there. For 2 reasons: by moving it you'll break the metadata path which means this empty scene won't show up in the "Saved Files" section of the smart content pane (which would be even more annoying!). Second: by using a dedicated "templates" folder it'll be much easier to remember why there's an empty scene file when you look into this at a later time.
    • Either way.. in that same content library pane right click on the empty scene file, then use "Create custom action". You can pick whatever menu you'd like, I went for "Favorites" with the label "New scene".
    • Now follow up on what Crosswind mentioned above: press F3 to open the customization screen, then you'll find your new custom action under the "Custom" header. Here you can assign the Control + N shortcut to it.
    • Also optional: this custom action works independent of any menus. So if you want your pulldown menu to return the way it was you could consider removing the Favorites or Scripts menu. Press F3 and then check the "Menu" tab on the right. Here you'll find "Main menu bar" which will now contain "Favorites" or "Scripts" or whatever. From here you can easily remove the menu item entirely.

    Annoying for sure but fortunately also easily remedied. Thanks for the initial tip Crosswind!

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 7,287

    ShelLuser said:

    ...

    Annoying for sure but fortunately also easily remedied. Thanks for the initial tip Crosswind!

    That's nice ! You're welcome. yes A checkbox of toggling this "New..." in Preferences is still expected. laugh

  • ValiskaValiska Posts: 87
    edited November 2023

    Extraordinarily annoying behavior change. To make it even worse, the Daz Store elements never load. I think I'd be confused as heck if I were a new user looking at all these blasted options AND two sections with never-finishing 'still loading' spinners. I wouldn't necessarily guess what the program was trying and failing to do. 

    Thanks exceedingly for the the tip on restoring a sane New Scene option.

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  • benniewoodellbenniewoodell Posts: 1,973

    Dartanbeck said:

    Um... Wow! I wasn't going to try the New scene until after I finish rendering this animation I aborted to upgrade. I started the new Daz Studio and started to load my animation, then typed the above few lines.

    By the time I hit Send, my animation was already loaded - ready to render. That was Really Fast compared to what used to be normal!

    Did the colors render the same after the upgrade? I made that mistake once upgrading in the middle of a project, all the colors rendered differently afterwards and it was for a client who wanted the red a certain shade. Luckily I had the old version on my other machine, but then I was down to one computer instead of two and it caused so many headaches. Now I'm super careful to not upgrade anything if I'm in the middle of something, but I'm curious if everything came out the same for you. 

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 7,287

    benniewoodell said:

    Dartanbeck said:

    Um... Wow! I wasn't going to try the New scene until after I finish rendering this animation I aborted to upgrade. I started the new Daz Studio and started to load my animation, then typed the above few lines.

    By the time I hit Send, my animation was already loaded - ready to render. That was Really Fast compared to what used to be normal!

    Did the colors render the same after the upgrade? I made that mistake once upgrading in the middle of a project, all the colors rendered differently afterwards and it was for a client who wanted the red a certain shade. Luckily I had the old version on my other machine, but then I was down to one computer instead of two and it caused so many headaches. Now I'm super careful to not upgrade anything if I'm in the middle of something, but I'm curious if everything came out the same for you. 

    Nope... around the beginning of this year, I found such an "issue" in between 4.21.0.5 general release and 4.21.1+ public build, I could only assume that it resulted from the update of Nvidia driver. If I remember correctly, such an "issue" ever happenend in 4.16 and 4.20 as well...

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,626
    edited November 2023

    I have been ignoring the store prompts in the New Scene menu, but I really like how it remembers which tab I used last. I've been enjoying using it for starting my new scenes as well as loading recent jobs. 

     

    I can see why folks might find it annoying, but I really like it. Just still jamming along having so much fun animating that I have a hard time getting into a bad mood. I'm tickled! 

     

    I come to the store and it looks like they love me. But it turns out that they'll only love me if I spend a few hundred dollars that I simply can't spend. That knocks my mood down a a bit so I close my browser and watch each frame as they finish rendering and I'm all giddy again! :)

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  • evmguy_730972b7c1evmguy_730972b7c1 Posts: 0

    Just make it  where we can go in  setting to disable it. It is rather annoying,.

  • johndoe_36eb90b0johndoe_36eb90b0 Posts: 235

    Richard Haseltine said:

    ctrl n, followed by enter, is only two key press actions.

    It is still one key press more than it was before, not to mention nobody asked for it.

    The problem with new new dialog is:

    1. It uses my internet bandwidth for downloading things I don't care to see

    2. It uses my disk space to cache downloaded things I don't care to see

    3. It didn't ask for my informed consent to do either of those two things

    4. It doesn't have an opt-out switch or offline mode

    I know that free software works on a "take it or leave it" basis, but the fact that I let it run on my PC doesn't give you the right to then do whatever you want on it.

  • johndoe_36eb90b0johndoe_36eb90b0 Posts: 235

    I found a way to fully restore the old behavior:

    1. Download a New Scene 1.0 script from https://levicki.net/downloads/ (kudos to that person whoever they are for writing such a good script)
    2. Unzip it to your Scripts folder inside your Daz Content folder
    3. Launch Daz Studio, find the script, right-click it and select Create Custom Action
    4. Place it in whatever root menu you want (Scripts, Favorites) -- this is not important because you won't be using it from there at all
    5. Enter "&New..." in the text field (without quotes!) and click Accept
    6. Press F3 to open customization dialog
    7. In the Actions tree on the left find and expand File node, right-click on &New... entry and select Clear Keyboard Shortcut
    8. In the Actions tree on the left find and expand Custom node, right-click on your custom &New... entry created in step 4, select Change Keyboard Shortcut, then press Ctrl+N together when prompted
    9. Click on Menus tab on the right, find and expand Main Menu Bar, then expand &File
    10. Right-click &New..., select Remove Item, drag and drop your custom &New... item from the Actions tree on the left to the same spot under &File (above separator)

    After clicking Apply and Accept close Daz Studio so that the changes are persisted.

    Note on how the New Scene 1.0 script works:

     - It checks if scene was modified and asks you whether you want to save (Yes/No/Cancel)
     - If you click Cancel it doesn't do anything
     - If you click Yes it tries to save the scene and if it fails it shows a message and stops.
     - If you click Yes and save succeeds or you click No, or the scene doesn't need saving it will check if there's a scene file set to load on new scene in Preferences
     - If there is a scene file configured it will load it without merging which will clear the existing scene
     - If there is no scene file configured it will clear the scene manually, reset viewport, and create default Environment and Tonemapper nodes

    Thats it, now you can enjoy using the old Daz Studio behavior.

  • DopeFusionDopeFusion Posts: 21
    edited October 14

    5. Enter "&New..." in the text field (without quotes!) and click Accept

    I am unable to type the text &New... in the text field. It stops me after I type the first period, so it looks like &New. And I don't have a Custom category on the left to find my script. Possibly because my script isn't being created due to the mentioned issue? 

    Post edited by DopeFusion on
  • UHFUHF Posts: 515

    Richard Haseltine said:

    ctrl n, followed by enter, is only two key press actions.

    This currently hangs and crashes daz.  I don't know why, but this new menu is busted.

    Have you considered telling the programmers to look up the advertising information out of context and not just when I press 'new'?  Also, if there's no ads there, then dont hang and crash? This is really substandard work.  You know people will press new, so why not just preload?  (This is how I do things with firmware that I develop.  I preload communications messages that I know are coming in order to speed up message transfer.)

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 101,482

    I thought it did preload the notifications

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 101,482

    Sorry, it is cached but not pre-loaded and the cache is sued as long as it is valid - see https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/654951/new-scene-workflow-in-app-notifications-daz-studio-4-21-1-91

  • mikael-aronssonmikael-aronsson Posts: 576

    I find the dialog so slow that I almost never use it, I just delete the existing stuff from the scene and start over, but I do not render in DS any more so I don't care about left over settings, I just need to get the scene out of DS.

    The waiting time after trying to open the New dialog is annoying buit nothing compared to the "Deleting objects...."  sitting there for 10 minutes.

     

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,245

    johndoe_36eb90b0 said:

    ...

    4. It doesn't have an opt-out switch or offline mode

    a "do not show again" clickbox and the option to restore defaults in the prefs might something to consider.

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