Proper fire alarms, music stands, music chairs, musical instrument cases, carpeted podiums

dgatwood

So far, I've been unable to find anything resembling:

• Standard stackable music chairs (never in my life have I seen a real chair with adjustable-length legs)
• Standard music stands (approximately all music stands in existence have three feet, not four)
• Standard commercial fire alarms (I've seen some that are wall mounted, but none on a wall box with conduit, which is how 99% of them are installed)
• Standard commercial fire horns (wall mounted or, more typically, box-mounted with conduit).  I've seen exactly zero of these, wall-mounted or otherwise.
• Musical instrument cases (yes, I see the guitar case, but I mean band instruments — typically flute, alto/tenor/bari sax, oboe, clarinet, trombone, trumpet, euphonium, french horn, tuba, bassoon, maybe bass clarinet, contra bassoon, Eb alto clarinet, bass sax, soprano sax, etc.)
• Most of the instruments listed above (there's a trombone, but not with a trigger, and I think I've seen a trumpet and a flute, and that's about it).
• Typical high-school/college-grade conducting podiums (which 99% of the time are just a wooden box covered with carpet).

I managed to find a free model for an aluminum podium and stretch it and use pixel shaders for carpeting, but the others are all still loose ends.

 

Gordig

dgatwood said:

• Most of the instruments listed above (there's a trombone, but not with a trigger, and I think I've seen a trumpet and a flute, and that's about it).

I'm assuming you're passingly familiar with Protozoon's offerings, as you seem to be directly referring to one of them with some of your criticisms, but have you not seen their saxophone and French horn?

felis

For instruments, have you looked in Protozons catalogue https://www.daz3d.com/protozoon

When requesting something, I would suggest to add a picture or link to what you are looking for for clarity.

richardandtracy

What is a music chair?

I have never in my life seen a chair used for a traditional concert that couldn't be classified as a 'Stackable plastic chair with metal legs' (as shown in this advert: https://www.manutan.co.uk/en/key/black-stacking-chairs-a332651?shopping=true&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImujckIKM-QIVu2DmCh2VSQBREAQYAiABEgJuuvD_BwE .) These are used everywhere - church halls, village halls, schools, etc etc etc. and calling them 'Music Chairs' would be an over-limiting misnomer. Or is there a different type that you're thinking of?

3 Legged music stand: https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/17813/music-stand

Fire alarms & control boxes: certainly where I work all items are done without conduit as the building was/is equipped with a competent electrician who took pride in his work and always buried his cables in the plaster & re-decorated after fitting the stuff.

Removable Stadium/dais box... I haven't seen one. Interesting idea. Never seen one carpeted. It is an option.

Regards,

Richard

FirstBastion

I would suggest you look at Protozoon for instruments

https://www.daz3d.com/protozoon

https://www.daz3d.com/french-horn-and-poses-for-genesis-8-and-81

https://www.daz3d.com/hd-trombone-and-poses-for-genesis-8

 

dgatwood

richardandtracy said:

What is a music chair?

I have never in my life seen a chair used for a traditional concert that couldn't be classified as a 'Stackable plastic chair with metal legs' (as shown in this advert: https://www.manutan.co.uk/en/key/black-stacking-chairs-a332651?shopping=true&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImujckIKM-QIVu2DmCh2VSQBREAQYAiABEgJuuvD_BwE .) These are used everywhere - church halls, village halls, schools, etc etc etc. and calling them 'Music Chairs' would be an over-limiting misnomer. Or is there a different type that you're thinking of?

 

They are just stackable chairs, but they're stackable chairs designed to encourage proper singing posture.  The ones you linked to there are more like what we used to have at our school desks when I was a kid.  But the band room (in high school, college, grad school, my current employer, etc.) and almost every church choir rehearsal room I've ever been in contains these:

https://www.schooloutfitters.com/catalog/product_info/pfam_id/PFAM2142/products_id/PRO7029?sc_cid=Google_NPS-8200&adtype=pla&kw=&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlemWBhDUARIsAFp1rLXXzJg14syYi-KXvvOMTfI6nXj_1p9mbxvktrB-fzpngcoN701ydjoaAvoMEALw_wcB

Most of the ones I've seen IRL have chrome metal rather than the black metal you see in those pictures, but otherwise, those are basically ubiquitous at this point.

dgatwood

3 Legged music stand: https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/17813/music-stand

I've seen that, and it's probably what I'll end up using, as it's the only one I could find anywhere that even looks similar to any music stand I've seen in the real world.  But portable stands are *very* flimsy, so IRL, we mostly only use them if no proper music stands are available (99.9% of the time, Manhasset, but occasionally Wenger).  So it's a little bit like if the only available vehicle were a 1986 Chevy Nova.  :-D

 

Fire alarms & control boxes: certainly where I work all items are done without conduit as the building was/is equipped with a competent electrician who took pride in his work and always buried his cables in the plaster & re-decorated after fitting the stuff.

For concrete block walls, I've almost never seen those sorts of fixtures run inside the walls — probably because the fixtures were added after the building was built, and it was too hard to add them inside the walls after the fact.

Either way, I'm more concerned about the fact that there are no actual fire alarm horns/lights available in any of the various Daz collections — just the pull switch part.  I mean, I guess you pull it and somebody goes over the intercom and says, "The building is on fire.  Please make your way to the exits in an orderly fashion.  Good luck!"  :-D

 

dgatwood

Gordig said:

dgatwood said:

• Most of the instruments listed above (there's a trombone, but not with a trigger, and I think I've seen a trumpet and a flute, and that's about it).

I'm assuming you're passingly familiar with Protozoon's offerings, as you seem to be directly referring to one of them with some of your criticisms, but have you not seen their saxophone and French horn?

Sorry, yeah, I saw the French horn and forgot to mention it.  I missed the alto sax; thanks for that.  There are a couple of tubas as well (and bizarrely, there's also a natural horn and bugle, which are both pretty obscure).  But with the exception of the alto sax and flute, the entire woodwind section doesn't exist in the Daz universe (nor the euphonium, though I guess one could probably approximate that one by morphing a tuba ).

Gordig

Protozoon also has a clarinet in the works, if I remember correctly.

richardandtracy

Interesting regarding the chairs. Maybe things are different from the circles I've been in where you are. I have never seen chairs like that in my life.. Oh, let me think... Maybe one film set in a US classroom and they write notes on the little folding desk to one side and irrationally start singing at intervals. Never paid much attention to it. Proper posture has never been a priority for any organisation I've been near. Cheapest furniture, yes, proper posture, never! Also keeping people quiet has been important, encouragement to be noisy and sing is the last thing they want. Who knows, kids might enjoy themselves, and we cannot permit that.. Our Church Choir 'rehearsal room' is the nave, and the choir stalls dating back to the 1710 rebuild after the fire of 1709. The stalls don't look very similar.. Regards, Richard

dgatwood

Thanks for the tip about the upcoming clarinet.  LOL about the cheap furniture thing.  So true.

And to clarify what I meant by fire horns/strobes, I meant something like these:

https://www.grainger.com/product/488H36?ef_id=Cj0KCQjwlemWBhDUARIsAFp1rLWsYuCREX5TOfwmDYuC0Zigv9y595IAynEYBiM7uloO0bHJZBgOMVMaAiYEEALw_wcB:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!2966!3!496359978157!!!g!1661123866064!&gucid=N:N:PS:Paid:GGL:CSM-2295:4P7A1P:20501231&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlemWBhDUARIsAFp1rLWsYuCREX5TOfwmDYuC0Zigv9y595IAynEYBiM7uloO0bHJZBgOMVMaAiYEEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

https://www.zoro.com/system-sensor-outdoor-hs-wall-2-wire-hi-candela-red-p2rhk-120/i/G5159795/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=surfaces&utm_campaign=shopping feed&utm_content=free google shopping clicks&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlemWBhDUARIsAFp1rLU_TwqBU7nJNZdk2F3uKUPRJMG9guolmTPAPuwfHSPfpFjsL6HMHIUaArTiEALw_wcB

https://www.radwell.com/Shop?source=GoogleShopping&IgnoreRedirect=true&ItemSingleId=43351169&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&adpos=&scid=scplp43351169&sc_intid=43351169&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlemWBhDUARIsAFp1rLUfSnkKtJvSNuQCaAvbALFrsG36h1duUP60ZkaA9BX48-H60-i12ncaAuK8EALw_wcB

Or occasionally you'll see a strobe by itself

https://www.zoro.com/edwards-signaling-strobe-steel-red-cs405-7a-t/i/G2567616/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=surfaces&utm_campaign=shopping feed&utm_content=free google shopping clicks&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlemWBhDUARIsAFp1rLVrzeKHbxueFmYLSs_dEglnj1ViKlJ1YiPxoJtyM_3AiD8KaWw7NFUaAoS-EALw_wcB

with a separate horn

https://www.zoro.com/system-sensor-outdoor-horn-red-hrk/i/G5187813/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=surfaces&utm_campaign=shopping feed&utm_content=free google shopping clicks&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlemWBhDUARIsAFp1rLUY_IHRMG-iTBM5rZ7vPFqyZpaNtc72iOi_qDHCKK9owk-hT-Vt2UIaAk5HEALw_wcB

 

Protozoon

Gordig said:

Protozoon also has a clarinet in the works, if I remember correctly.

Yep!

Protozoon

The instrument cases is a really good idea. It would make a good set! I'll put it in my pipeline, thanks!

Mzimiga

Protozoon said:

The instrument cases is a really good idea. It would make a good set! I'll put it in my pipeline, thanks!

Excited to see this! Is this still in the works? I bought your trombone set, but am badly in need of the case! I've looked everywhere for a trombone case and can't find one.  

Protozoon

Mzimiga said:

Protozoon said:

The instrument cases is a really good idea. It would make a good set! I'll put it in my pipeline, thanks!

Excited to see this! Is this still in the works? I bought your trombone set, but am badly in need of the case! I've looked everywhere for a trombone case and can't find one.  
 

Yes! But takes a while still. There is one set coming before that.

-P-