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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    does 32gb m/b rams render faster than 16?

    build i speccing comes to 1600, 32gb, 500 ssd

    my 8 core was 1k, but was only 16gb  no ssd

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    UnifiedBrain said:
    Mystarra said:
    UnifiedBrain said:
    Diomede said:

    Carrara 8.5 and Carrara Native Content files installed.

    First test render.

    This is the Champagne scene in the packaging folder of native content.

    Rendered in 43 seconds.

    Nothing compared to the animators with render farms out there, but most excellent improvement for me.

    Now to install the other stuff I have accumulated.

    Yup, right around 43 seconds here also (with the smallest tiles) using a 3900x.

    I don't have smart content yet, but I couldn't resist installing Carrara and doing this test.yes  Twenty four buckets  is an overwhelming experience after so many years with four cores and no threads.

    24 BUCKETS !!!??

    I asked the buckets to pose before rerendering this scene.  They graciously agreed, although #22 was a bit shy.

    smiley

    thanks!! is a relief to know 24 buckets doesnt need the grid add-on.  suspecting the 20 refers to nodes not cores,, an actual 20 computers

  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588
    Mystarra said:

    does 32gb m/b rams render faster than 16?

    Size and speed are different.  I went with 32 GB because I don't want to be limited by RAM again (so tired of that), and the cost differential between 16 and 32 was minimal.  For speed I went with 3600 MHz.  But for most people, more RAM is more important than faster RAM.

    Mystarra said:

    build i speccing comes to 1600, 32gb, 500 ssd

    That sounds reasonable, depending on what it includes, and if you are talking US dollars.  My goal was to get under $1500 including labor and tax.  Was able to do so with some careful shopping.

    Mystarra said:

    my 8 core was 1k, but was only 16gb  no ssd

    I thought that you have a 6 core machine?

     

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    UnifiedBrain said:
    Mystarra said:

    does 32gb m/b rams render faster than 16?

    Size and speed are different.  I went with 32 GB because I don't want to be limited by RAM again (so tired of that), and the cost differential between 16 and 32 was minimal.  For speed I went with 3600 MHz.  But for most people, more RAM is more important than faster RAM.

    Mystarra said:

    build i speccing comes to 1600, 32gb, 500 ssd

    That sounds reasonable, depending on what it includes, and if you are talking US dollars.  My goal was to get under $1500 including labor and tax.  Was able to do so with some careful shopping.

    Mystarra said:

    my 8 core was 1k, but was only 16gb  no ssd

    I thought that you have a 6 core machine?

     

    my dayjob compy is hexacore. naughty me uses it to render animates over the weekend.devilangel
    is a shame the security wont let me run the plugins mcx files

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,578
    Mystarra said:

    does 32gb m/b rams render faster than 16?

    build i speccing comes to 1600, 32gb, 500 ssd

    my 8 core was 1k, but was only 16gb  no ssd

    I would suggest that you save up for a larger ssd. You often seem to enjoy making  l o n g  animated renders. I guess if they are set to save right away onto a different drive you'll be okay, but that 500GB will still fill a lot faster than you'll want it too.

    That said, I'm still brand new to using ssd, so maybe it's just my inexperience here. I have 1TB ssd and already wish that I had a larger one even though I'm back to having it only about a third full.

    @UnifiedBrain Yikes! Congrats on that build! That new Ryzen is a happy thing! I think your local shop gave you a wonderful deal too!

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,173

    Pen tablets?

    What do people use for their pen tablet?  

    Do you have something built in on your system like a SURFACE or All-inOne?

    External plugin like Wacom?

    Other?

    I tried picking up an old one on deep, deep discount at Micron Center but had a devil of a time making it Windows 10 compatible.  Figured I'd get more serious about it.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited January 2020
    Dartanbeck said:
    Mystarra said:

    does 32gb m/b rams render faster than 16?

    build i speccing comes to 1600, 32gb, 500 ssd

    my 8 core was 1k, but was only 16gb  no ssd

    I would suggest that you save up for a larger ssd. You often seem to enjoy making  l o n g  animated renders. I guess if they are set to save right away onto a different drive you'll be okay, but that 500GB will still fill a lot faster than you'll want it too.

    That said, I'm still brand new to using ssd, so maybe it's just my inexperience here. I have 1TB ssd and already wish that I had a larger one even though I'm back to having it only about a third full.

    @UnifiedBrain Yikes! Congrats on that build! That new Ryzen is a happy thing! I think your local shop gave you a wonderful deal too!

    i've budgeted a new usb3 hd every month.  currently have 2 plugged in. 

    i need some scratch space.  could be a bottle neck on an external

    i deleted so many tree and leaf replicators from howie scene, camera still painfully sluggish
    i prolly doing it backwards
    should start with empty terrain, thaen add trees.

    think i found a bug in changing bulb light to spot lights.

    before changing the light type, it waas rendering a shadow for the figure in bottle
    with the spotlight, it's rendering a shadow of the bottle, not the bottle content >.<

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  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,578
    Diomede said:

    Pen tablets?

    What do people use for their pen tablet?  

    Do you have something built in on your system like a SURFACE or All-inOne?

    External plugin like Wacom?

    Other?

    I tried picking up an old one on deep, deep discount at Micron Center but had a devil of a time making it Windows 10 compatible.  Figured I'd get more serious about it.

    I have an older (but goody) Wacom Graphire 3. It works really well, but I haven't had the patience to keep using it when I can't be using it - like when I need a mouse otherwise becoming just entirely lost.

    But then I've seen real pros using them and never looking back. I think I've really missed something by not even getting educated in computer works - 3D CG. Practice makes perfect.

    I was wondering how much better the high-end Wacom Surface Pro tablets work in this regard. To get close to my tower PC, I'd have to find some serious cash somewhere.

  • VyusurVyusur Posts: 2,235
    edited January 2020

    Carrara benchmark champagne sceneh on my new machine
    The render took 33 seconds.
    System info:
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-Core Processor
    RAM 64
    GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB

    Post edited by Vyusur on
  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,578

    Congrats on the new machine!!! Wow, 32 threads! That thing is a Beast!!! 

  • VyusurVyusur Posts: 2,235
    Dartanbeck said:

    Congrats on the new machine!!! Wow, 32 threads! That thing is a Beast!!! 

    Thank you!

     

  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588
    edited January 2020

    HaHa!  You got the new monster.  Congratulations!

    Big bucks!  I hope that this is a sign that you are having success as a PA.yes

    Thanks for posting the benchmark.  Great to know that the new CPU works with Carrara.

    My experience with the 3900X is that it renders much faster than my old 4-core machine (obviously), but that Carrara internal processes (loading, saving, etc.) are about the same.

    If another Carrara update is ever attempted by Daz, my biggest wish is to remove some of the internal bottlenecks.

     

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,226

    cool stuffs yes

    my 4 buckets on this machine pale or is that pail in comparrison cheeky

    am interested why some of the big bucketters machines have numbers and others don't wink

  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588
    WendyLuvsCatz said:
     

    am interested why some of the big bucketters machines have numbers and others don't wink

    Are you asking about the numbers on the buckets?  I'm sure you know this, but the numbers don't show up if you choose a smaller tile size.

     

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,226
    UnifiedBrain said:
    WendyLuvsCatz said:
     

    am interested why some of the big bucketters machines have numbers and others don't wink

    Are you asking about the numbers on the buckets?  I'm sure you know this, but the numbers don't show up if you choose a smaller tile size.

     

    ah thats it, no didn't as with only 4 tiles I tend to go the biggest

  • VyusurVyusur Posts: 2,235
    UnifiedBrain said:

    HaHa!  You got the new monster.  Congratulations!

    Big bucks!  I hope that this is a sign that you are having success as a PA.yes

    Thanks for posting the benchmark.  Great to know that the new CPU works with Carrara.

    My experience with the 3900X is that it renders much faster than my old 4-core machine (obviously), but that Carrara internal processes (loading, saving, etc.) are about the same.

    If another Carrara update is ever attempted by Daz, my biggest wish is to remove some of the internal bottlenecks.

    Thank you, UB! I noticed that everything loaded and saved way faster (not only rendered).

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,578
    WendyLuvsCatz said:
    UnifiedBrain said:
    WendyLuvsCatz said:
     

    am interested why some of the big bucketters machines have numbers and others don't wink

    Are you asking about the numbers on the buckets?  I'm sure you know this, but the numbers don't show up if you choose a smaller tile size.

     

    ah thats it, no didn't as with only 4 tiles I tend to go the biggest

    My first Carrara machine was a dual core laptop, so I used the smallest buckets so that neither of my (2) cores would hang for too long in any one area - like getting help from the second core. Now I still use the tiny buckets out of habit. Smaller chunks = more core cooperation ;)

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,578
    UnifiedBrain said:

    My experience with the 3900X is that it renders much faster than my old 4-core machine (obviously), but that Carrara internal processes (loading, saving, etc.) are about the same.

    When I had all of my content on my main SSD, load times... Everything... was Lightning Fast. It slowed a bit when I moved my libraries to an internal SATA

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,066

    with 3d file swapping and such having it on your SSD will lessen the life of it ... best having all software and that on a secondary HDD yes

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,578
    StezzaKarara said:

    with 3d file swapping and such having it on your SSD will lessen the life of it ... best having all software and that on a secondary HDD yes

    Oh... install the software on another drive too?

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,578

    Okay, I'm an idiot. So, do I also save my "Save" files to other drives too? What do I allow to be stored to SSD? I don't want to burn it up!

  • VyusurVyusur Posts: 2,235
    StezzaKarara said:

    with 3d file swapping and such having it on your SSD will lessen the life of it ... best having all software and that on a secondary HDD yes

    After this post I reinstalled my soft and content from SSD on my drive D (HD).

     

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,173
    Vyusur said:

    Carrara benchmark champagne sceneh on my new machine
    The render took 33 seconds.
    System info:
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-Core Processor
    RAM 64
    GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB

    Congratulations!  So happy for you.

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,066
    Dartanbeck said:
    StezzaKarara said:

    with 3d file swapping and such having it on your SSD will lessen the life of it ... best having all software and that on a secondary HDD yes

    Oh... install the software on another drive too?

    I would..

    My OS is on C: SSD

    all my software is installed on D: sata drive

    all my content is on E: sata drive 

    smiley

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,066
    Dartanbeck said:

    Okay, I'm an idiot. So, do I also save my "Save" files to other drives too? What do I allow to be stored to SSD? I don't want to burn it up!

    my SSD is for the OS .. I also save my images and photos to the SSD and then transfer them monthly to my D: drive

    ALL my software is installed on my D: drive except for a couple of minor programs.

    My scratch disk and Temp folders are also on D: drive 

    they have to be adjusted setup in each software package as needed. Basically anything that does a lot of read/write goes on my D: drive

    I just leave the SSD with the OS wink

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,066

    another plus is when you have to reinstall the OS it's a lot easier wink

    my music is also on my D: drive... took a long time the other week to backup my music and 3d content to an external drive when we had to evacuate because of the bushfires!

    I left the PC behind! laugh

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,226
    StezzaKarara said:

    another plus is when you have to reinstall the OS it's a lot easier wink

    my music is also on my D: drive... took a long time the other week to backup my music and 3d content to an external drive when we had to evacuate because of the bushfires!

    I left the PC behind! laugh

    yes indeed it is replaceable you are not heart

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,578

    Wow! Thanks! So actually all I need to do is to uninstall all of my software and drag shortcuts from my G drive into my shortcuts library, since I still have everything installed on that monster HDD!

    Thanks for helping me save my precious SSD!

  • VyusurVyusur Posts: 2,235
    Diomede said:
    Vyusur said:

    Carrara benchmark champagne sceneh on my new machine
    The render took 33 seconds.
    System info:
    AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-Core Processor
    RAM 64
    GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB

    Congratulations!  So happy for you.

    Ted, thank you for your kind words.smiley

     

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,066
    Vyusur said:
    StezzaKarara said:

    with 3d file swapping and such having it on your SSD will lessen the life of it ... best having all software and that on a secondary HDD yes

    After this post I reinstalled my soft and content from SSD on my drive D (HD).

     

    don't forget to adjust settings in DiM and DS to point to the new locations wink

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