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Carrara and Octane error

Chris Fox ArtChris Fox Art Posts: 380
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I just got my new hard drive and installed all drivers and managed to get Octane 4.05 standalone and 4.04 Carrara plugin.
I just installed Carrara 8.5 Pro and and Render Node via DIM but not really anything else.
Carrara starts and it also loads a scene, Octane is active but as soon as i open the Octane Render Window Carrara says that an error occured and shuts down on it's own.
No matter what scene i use, even just a small sphere or cube will cause a crash when i open the octane render window.
Any ideas why that happens and how to solve it? Or does anybody have similar issues?
Would love to start over again with 3D.

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,309

    Do you have the latest Nvidia driver?

    I had oodles of issues with several drivers until the last couple

  • Chris Fox ArtChris Fox Art Posts: 380
    edited July 2019

    Yes, just installed it today V391.35 (2x GTX560ti)
    i've made my pc complete new, so fresh win7 installation, fresh nvidia driver installation, all needed security and net.framework updates that was needed to run octane and render plugin.
    Error Code that appears is always the same  c0000005

    The image shows nearly all i've installed right now with DIM, haven't installed any other daz related software but i don't think that will have anything to do with the issue.

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    Post edited by Chris Fox Art on
  • evilproducerevilproducer Posts: 9,050

    Not sure about the Octane issue, but one thing struck me is that you said you installed Carrara and the render node. On the same computer? I don't know if it could be causing a conflict, but you don't install the render node on the same machine you install Carrara on. The render node is for the client computers in your network. Carrara on your main machine sends data to the machines with nodes installed.

  • Chris Fox ArtChris Fox Art Posts: 380
    evilproducer said:

    Not sure about the Octane issue, but one thing struck me is that you said you installed Carrara and the render node. On the same computer? I don't know if it could be causing a conflict, but you don't install the render node on the same machine you install Carrara on. The render node is for the client computers in your network. Carrara on your main machine sends data to the machines with nodes installed.

    I've had Carrara and render node installed before on the same pc before my hdd gots broken and had no issues using Octane V3 before.
    I can try out delelting render node to see if that will change anything.

  • evilproducerevilproducer Posts: 9,050
    Chris Fox Art said:
    evilproducer said:

    Not sure about the Octane issue, but one thing struck me is that you said you installed Carrara and the render node. On the same computer? I don't know if it could be causing a conflict, but you don't install the render node on the same machine you install Carrara on. The render node is for the client computers in your network. Carrara on your main machine sends data to the machines with nodes installed.

    I've had Carrara and render node installed before on the same pc before my hdd gots broken and had no issues using Octane V3 before.
    I can try out delelting render node to see if that will change anything.

    It may not get Octane going, but it will free up some hard drive space.

    Also note, that if you have any 3rd party plugins or things like custom leaves on your main machine, they will also need to be installed on the machine with the render node to use them in a network render.

  • Chris Fox ArtChris Fox Art Posts: 380
    edited July 2019
    evilproducer said:
    Chris Fox Art said:
    evilproducer said:

    Not sure about the Octane issue, but one thing struck me is that you said you installed Carrara and the render node. On the same computer? I don't know if it could be causing a conflict, but you don't install the render node on the same machine you install Carrara on. The render node is for the client computers in your network. Carrara on your main machine sends data to the machines with nodes installed.

    I've had Carrara and render node installed before on the same pc before my hdd gots broken and had no issues using Octane V3 before.
    I can try out delelting render node to see if that will change anything.

    It may not get Octane going, but it will free up some hard drive space.

    Also note, that if you have any 3rd party plugins or things like custom leaves on your main machine, they will also need to be installed on the machine with the render node to use them in a network render.

    I think i know why i get an error but not sure about that.

    https://home.otoy.com/render/octane-render/faqs/
    it looks that my graphic cards aren't supported anymore in Octane V4
    I'vegot 2x GTX560ti and they worked great on Octane V3 but V4 i always get the error message.

    Ok, just deinstalled Octane renderer 4 for carrara and installed V3 and now it works.
    Looks that i should at least get a GTX650ti to be able to use V4.

    Post edited by Chris Fox Art on
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,309
    Chris Fox Art said:
    evilproducer said:
    Chris Fox Art said:
    evilproducer said:

    Not sure about the Octane issue, but one thing struck me is that you said you installed Carrara and the render node. On the same computer? I don't know if it could be causing a conflict, but you don't install the render node on the same machine you install Carrara on. The render node is for the client computers in your network. Carrara on your main machine sends data to the machines with nodes installed.

    I've had Carrara and render node installed before on the same pc before my hdd gots broken and had no issues using Octane V3 before.
    I can try out delelting render node to see if that will change anything.

    It may not get Octane going, but it will free up some hard drive space.

    Also note, that if you have any 3rd party plugins or things like custom leaves on your main machine, they will also need to be installed on the machine with the render node to use them in a network render.

    I think i know why i get an error but not sure about that.

    https://home.otoy.com/render/octane-render/faqs/
    it looks that my graphic cards aren't supported anymore in Octane V4
    I'vegot 2x GTX560ti and they worked great on Octane V3 but V4 i always get the error message.

    Ok, just deinstalled Octane renderer 4 for carrara and installed V3 and now it works.
    Looks that i should at least get a GTX650ti to be able to use V4.

    you will be better off going 10 series

  • Chris Fox ArtChris Fox Art Posts: 380
    Wendy_Carrara said:
    Chris Fox Art said:
    evilproducer said:
    Chris Fox Art said:
    evilproducer said:

    Not sure about the Octane issue, but one thing struck me is that you said you installed Carrara and the render node. On the same computer? I don't know if it could be causing a conflict, but you don't install the render node on the same machine you install Carrara on. The render node is for the client computers in your network. Carrara on your main machine sends data to the machines with nodes installed.

    I've had Carrara and render node installed before on the same pc before my hdd gots broken and had no issues using Octane V3 before.
    I can try out delelting render node to see if that will change anything.

    It may not get Octane going, but it will free up some hard drive space.

    Also note, that if you have any 3rd party plugins or things like custom leaves on your main machine, they will also need to be installed on the machine with the render node to use them in a network render.

    I think i know why i get an error but not sure about that.

    https://home.otoy.com/render/octane-render/faqs/
    it looks that my graphic cards aren't supported anymore in Octane V4
    I'vegot 2x GTX560ti and they worked great on Octane V3 but V4 i always get the error message.

    Ok, just deinstalled Octane renderer 4 for carrara and installed V3 and now it works.
    Looks that i should at least get a GTX650ti to be able to use V4.

    you will be better off going 10 series

    If i could afford it i would  take a Quadro GP100 or if Octane would support AMD i would go for AMD Radeon Pro Duo 32GB, 1080ti would also be nice but at the moment i can't afford those. Already put my money on a new hard drive, WD Red 2TB NAS drive to be able to use my PC again and work from there.

  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588

    Always great to see a problem resolved!

    For good GPU pricing, check Craigslist, if you can, and you are willing to buy used.  In my area of the US, 1070's are now going around $200, and a pair of Titan X's was posted recently for $500 for both.

  • 3drendero3drendero Posts: 2,027
    edited July 2019
    Gtx 1650 4GB is the latest gen Turing and cheapest, 150$ decent speed and longest support time in Octane. RTX 2060 Super 8Gb if you can afford 400$ has raytracing functions rumored to be added in future Octane versions and the 8GB keeps it speedy with larger scenes. Edit, 350$ for RTX 2060 6GB and 500$ for 2070 SUPER (runs at 2080 speed and supports SLI) Edit2, for 200$ you can get the new GTX 1660 which is as fast as 1070 in gaming, but latest gen with longer support and newer features. Old GPUs do not age well...
    Post edited by 3drendero on
  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588
    3drendero said:
     for 200$ you can get the new GTX 1660 which is as fast as 1070 in gaming, but latest gen with longer support and newer features. Old GPUs do not age well...
    3drendero said:
     

    Wow, for the first time EVER, I disagree with you. :)  There are people here who use relatively ancient 960's with Octane, and have been doing so successfully for years.

    1070's are great GPU's, and still generally outperform even a 1660ti, in the tests that I observed.  And further, I don't consider a 1070 to be "old."  :)

  • Chris Fox ArtChris Fox Art Posts: 380

    If the 960 is ancient, what about my 560ti? :)
    I did all my latest renders with them and got pretty nice results.
    A newer card sure would be nice but as i said, i can't affort them at the moment (even not in used condition).
     

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,309
    edited July 2023

    and here I am 

    it loads and all 3 versions in my downloads tried,

    is the oldest V4, no more left

    other 2 later ones worked but options greyed out as Enterprise

    it just doesn't render, all the options are there

    and yes, new C drive, mine failed, reinstalling stuff has been a nightmare

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,309
    edited July 2023

    [05:17:21.425]             OctaneRender 4.01.1 (4010100)
    [05:17:21.425]             
    [05:17:49.347] ERROR     : CUDA error 300 on device 0: device kernel image is invalid
    [05:17:49.347] ERROR     :   -> failed to link file
    [05:17:49.347] ERROR     : device 0: failed to load OSL shader code:
    error   : Multiple definition of 'cuSptStatistics' in 'cuda_texturenode', first defined in 'snippets_internal'
    [05:17:49.347] ERROR     : device 0: failed to compile module 0
    [05:17:49.735]             Scene contents: 0 primitives, 1 cameras, 1 lights, 0 master objects, 1 master shaders
    [05:18:01.095]             NVAPI initializing...
    [05:18:01.097]             NVAPI Version: NVidia Complete Version 1.10

     

     

    yeah maybe it's the driver, but I need the laest for everything else

    I guess it's the end of the line for me and Octane, not pouring anymore money in, Carrara native render is beautiful just takes a tad longer if I want PBR and/or complex scenes

    submitted a ticket to Otoy anyway

    Post edited by WendyLuvsCatz on
  • 3drendero3drendero Posts: 2,027
    edited July 2023
    It is a long shot, but if you have the Nvidia bloatware installed, the one called GeForce Experience, you can try to switch between the Studio driver for 3D apps and the Game Ready driver for games. I think that it only supports the same version, so probably not possible to switch between old and new drivers. But the Studio driver is supposed to be more stable for Octane https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/news/gfecnt/creator-ready-drivers-supercharge-creative-apps/
    Post edited by 3drendero on
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,309

    it's the Mimic Plugin

  • Chris Fox ArtChris Fox Art Posts: 380

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    [05:17:21.425]             OctaneRender 4.01.1 (4010100)
    [05:17:21.425]             
    [05:17:49.347] ERROR     : CUDA error 300 on device 0: device kernel image is invalid
    [05:17:49.347] ERROR     :   -> failed to link file
    [05:17:49.347] ERROR     : device 0: failed to load OSL shader code:
    error   : Multiple definition of 'cuSptStatistics' in 'cuda_texturenode', first defined in 'snippets_internal'
    [05:17:49.347] ERROR     : device 0: failed to compile module 0
    [05:17:49.735]             Scene contents: 0 primitives, 1 cameras, 1 lights, 0 master objects, 1 master shaders
    [05:18:01.095]             NVAPI initializing...
    [05:18:01.097]             NVAPI Version: NVidia Complete Version 1.10

     

     

    yeah maybe it's the driver, but I need the laest for everything else

    I guess it's the end of the line for me and Octane, not pouring anymore money in, Carrara native render is beautiful just takes a tad longer if I want PBR and/or complex scenes

    submitted a ticket to Otoy anyway

    Did you changed anything on your system? After i've created my new PC with Octane i had to deactivate the licence for the old system and activate it for the newer one.
    Another question is, what kind of graphics card do you have? I know that my older cards (560ti's) won't work with Octane 4 but i also know that the latest working graphics card for O4 is the Turing Technology why i bought me a RTX 2060 12GB for that, Ampere Technology from RTX 30XX doesnt work and you have to upgrade Octane for 500€/$ to the latest version.

    I think it's a shame that you have to buy for that amount of money the software to get it to work again for newer hardware as i can't upgrade the GPU now without upgrading the software if i still want to use it with Octane.
    So that's also a reason for me why i work more with blender right now than with Carrara and if i would have the chance to get a newer version of Octane, i probably would buy it for blender rather than upgrading the Carrara Version.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,309
    edited July 2023

    it's OK, it's working now, it was the Mimic plugin

    but the disabled download for the standalone still needed addressing as I sometimes use that too so glad that was fixed

    as to did I change anything? my whole C drive, got a new SSD one installed because my HDD stopped booting up and had to reinstall all my programs from scratch, still many to go...

    have the beta installed for plugin clashes as others clash with others, Mimic is installed on that and no Octane (there only can be one)

    Post edited by WendyLuvsCatz on
  • Chris Fox ArtChris Fox Art Posts: 380

    A fresh installation can cause issues with octane license but normally Octane should also work with Mimic, i've created a few test videos with octane using mimic.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,309

    so did I but I recall it was a different version of the plugin because the latest one also crashed the Carrara version I had, seemed OK this new install except for Octane, Virtual World Dynamics on the other hand is throwing up errors

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