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[Released] Altern8 - Skin Shader System for Genesis 8 [Commercial]

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,212
    edited April 2018

    OK, here is my first go.  Used the Edward No Maps, Dome off, HDR 2 turned 60 degrees... quite pleased with this.

    The pose is mine, the head and body shapes are mine, crafted in ZBrush and the shorts are mine, crafted in ZBrush and auto rigged in DS, buckle is set up with a rigid follow node so it stays round regardless of the pose. 

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,522
    Llynara said:

    Picked my copy up already and downloading now. Congrats, my friend, on another awesome release! heart

    You what? Girl - you tested Altern8, why did you go and buy a copy? heheh I REALLY appreciate the support though - you're awesome, my friend! heartlaugh

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,522
    edited April 2018
    AnotherUserName said:

    Diva, how is your system lowering render times? Can you talk a little about that?

    I'm not sure why but many of the "Official 8" characters really are hard on the system and my settings often reduce render times. I'm sure part of it is the translucency that is often pretty high on the "8" figures, but I've also noticed that I can sometimes get reduced render times on other characters that aren't really high on translucency. 

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  • LlynaraLlynara Posts: 4,770
    Divamakeup said:
    Llynara said:

    Picked my copy up already and downloading now. Congrats, my friend, on another awesome release! heart

    You what? Girl - you tested Altern8, why did you go and buy a copy? heheh I REALLY appreciate the support though - you're awesome, my friend! heartlaugh

    I had to pick it up because I wuv you! heart And I love the product too! wink

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,522
    ArielRGH said:

    Absolutely wonderful, Diva! Congratulations!

    I said I wanted it and I just made good on my word. I just purchased and downloaded it, I'll start playing with it now.

    I wanted to know, Diva, what materials did you use for the eyes in the promos? Especially the first one. Thanks in advance!

    Thank you! :D The mats in the first promo are Charlotte 8's mats. The eyes are enhanced with the included sclera map and the maps to help enhance the tear duct/eye socket and of course the Altern8 settings. :)

    Thank you for the purchase and for showing us your renders! It's much appreciated! yes

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,522
    nonesuch00 said:

    I'm buying this, it will save me time, but i'm broke now. I just popped in to say your product has some of the best ad copy that 'sells' your product and what it does in the DAZ Store.

    Thank you! I hope you find Altern8 helpful! 

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,522
    AnotherUserName said:

    Heres my first comparison shots. The first render is the original skin, the second uses Diva's shaders.

    I like how the pinkness has been removed from the original. The redness in the nose is whats throwing me off a little bit. It almost looks like she might be coming down with a cold. If I can control that, id like to know how.

    HUGE time savings with Diva's shaders. The original took 16 minutes and 24 seconds to render (old card and shiny hair ). The render with Diva's shaders took just under 7 minutes!

    Forgot to add, this is the Victoria 8 preset.

    Hi, AUN, thank you for posting your renders! :D I addressed this in the commons thread, but maybe try adjusting the Translucency Strength and/or the SSS Tint and/or Translucency color. Pale skin can be tricky but I think with some adjustments it would help reduce the redness. :)

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,522
    Llynara said:

    Here are my notes for using Altern8 on Nenana Alien, if you're looking at using Alten8 on a really different skin. It was fun doing an alien pinup! 

    • Altern8: Darius 8 A No Maps, Skin Shine High, Lip Shine High
    • Surfaces Tab: Bump Map- lower skin and lips from 7 down to 1
    • Render settings: Altern8 Preset 1 (I think!), Low Bloom (from DA Real World Lighting presets), lower the Exposure to 12

    Thank you for the notes and tips! It's much appreciated. And I think posting different "forumlas" for different looks is a great idea! :) I'll have to see what I can come up with! laugh

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,522
    ArielRGH said:
    Divamakeup said:

    Sorry guys! I had to grab a few hours of sleep - I'm back now! hehe Coffee in hand and ready to read through the thread and answer any questions. :)

    There's our hero! There's our hero! Three hurrahs for Divamakeup! Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah! Woohoo! (everybody claps!)

     

    missuskisses said:
    ArielRGH said:
    Divamakeup said:

    Sorry guys! I had to grab a few hours of sleep - I'm back now! hehe Coffee in hand and ready to read through the thread and answer any questions. :)

    There's our hero! There's our hero! Three hurrahs for Divamakeup! Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah! Woohoo! (everybody claps!)

    *joins in clapping* Hip hip, hooray!

    Dawwww Thank you guys! heheh You're making my face hurt from smiling so much! heheh You guys are so sweet - thank you for the lovely comments, feedback, and renders! heart

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,522
    Llynara said:
    Divamakeup said:
    Llynara said:

    Picked my copy up already and downloading now. Congrats, my friend, on another awesome release! heart

    You what? Girl - you tested Altern8, why did you go and buy a copy? heheh I REALLY appreciate the support though - you're awesome, my friend! heartlaugh

    I had to pick it up because I wuv you! heart And I love the product too! wink

    hahah You're amazing, my friend! Thank you! I really appreciate all your hard work and help! And then buying the product too! Ahhhh You're ...yeah, amazing is the word. surprise

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,522
    edited April 2018
    RAMWolff said:

    OK, here is my first go.  Used the Edward No Maps, Dome off, HDR 2 turned 60 degrees... quite pleased with this.

    The pose is mine, the head and body shapes are mine, crafted in ZBrush and the shorts are mine, crafted in ZBrush and auto rigged in DS, buckle is set up with a rigid follow node so it stays round regardless of the pose. 

    Oh that looks good! Thank you for sharing the render with us! :) That's a good looking character too - beefy sexy guy! heheh Reminds me a bit of one of Butch's characters (which I love!). 

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,212

    Thanks hon for the great product.  Yea, the shapes are part of my Bruno series I keep redeveloping and evolving.  Thanks for the kind words! 

  • SimonJMSimonJM Posts: 5,982
    edited April 2018

    A quick first go (well, actually, 1st, 2nd, 3rd as I took a while to realise that the geograft shaders were shaders and needed the surafce selected!)  Base textures are FW Marieke with the no map Charlotte setting and various tint, etc., settings used.

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  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,752
    edited April 2018

    Edited, because I hadn't checked facts first blush

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  • MimicMollyMimicMolly Posts: 2,194
    RAMWolff said:

    Hi Diva,

    I got mine but curious.... the product download was quite large, so I'm assuming your including maps?  There is no way that just surface tweaks and shader tweaks are going to add up like that!  LMAO! 

    How large is the file? O_o

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,522
    RAMWolff said:

    Thanks hon for the great product.  Yea, the shapes are part of my Bruno series I keep redeveloping and evolving.  Thanks for the kind words! 

    "Bruno" series ...that sound promising! If it gets to the store count me in as a buyer! smiley

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,522
    SimonJM said:

    A quick first go (well, actually, 1st, 2nd, 3rd as I took a while to realise that the geograft shaders were shaders and needed the surafce selected!)  Base textures are FW Marieke with the no map Charlotte setting and various tint, etc., settings used.

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    Cool character, SimonJM! :) The skin might be a tad on the "cool" side. Perhaps try a warmer SSS Tint and/or warmer Translucency Color. :)

    Really a nice looking character though - love her tats! 

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,522
    RAMWolff said:

    Hi Diva,

    I got mine but curious.... the product download was quite large, so I'm assuming your including maps?  There is no way that just surface tweaks and shader tweaks are going to add up like that!  LMAO! 

    The product does have a few maps as well as HDRs - so that's going to increase the file's size. :)

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,522
    Masterstroke said:

    OKAY: My favorite shader system now. smiley

    I'm so glad you like it! :D

  • SimonJMSimonJM Posts: 5,982
    Divamakeup said:
    SimonJM said:

    A quick first go (well, actually, 1st, 2nd, 3rd as I took a while to realise that the geograft shaders were shaders and needed the surafce selected!)  Base textures are FW Marieke with the no map Charlotte setting and various tint, etc., settings used.

     

    Cool character, SimonJM! :) The skin might be a tad on the "cool" side. Perhaps try a warmer SSS Tint and/or warmer Translucency Color. :)

    Really a nice looking character though - love her tats! 

    It was Trans strenght F, Trans colour C, SSS tint B - so to go 'warmer' I'd got to B or A for trans colour and A for tint?

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,522
    SimonJM said:
    Divamakeup said:
    SimonJM said:

    A quick first go (well, actually, 1st, 2nd, 3rd as I took a while to realise that the geograft shaders were shaders and needed the surafce selected!)  Base textures are FW Marieke with the no map Charlotte setting and various tint, etc., settings used.

     

    Cool character, SimonJM! :) The skin might be a tad on the "cool" side. Perhaps try a warmer SSS Tint and/or warmer Translucency Color. :)

    Really a nice looking character though - love her tats! 

    It was Trans strenght F, Trans colour C, SSS tint B - so to go 'warmer' I'd got to B or A for trans colour and A for tint?

    I think it would depend on the skin, the lighting, and the translucency strength. Maybe try Translucency Color B, SSS Tint A? I'm not sure as I don't have that character. It's funny, I want to get my hands on it and do some tweaking to give you an exact "formula" but I think the hubby would kill me if I spent any more money on Daz this month. lol I love tweaking skin though and it's killing me not having that character to see what settings I would use on her. hahah Try different things and different settings and see what works. :) Maybe instead of Charlotte a different preset? Hopefully one of the settings can help!

    One thing that helps with geografts is to set up a Material Preset first and that way you get all the tweaking and adjustments down before applying them to the geograft (it's easier than tweaking all the settings on geografts as well as on the character). :)

    Are you using one of Cayman Studios' geografts?

  • ChadCryptoChadCrypto Posts: 596
    edited April 2018

    I picked up Altern8 and WetFX.

    She made a mess and spilled her milk.  

    Awesome work Diva. I used Karyssa 8 maps on Michiko. And used the Diffused B lip overlay setting.

     

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,522
    edited April 2018
    ChadCrypto said:

    I picked up Altern8 and WetFX.

    She made a mess and spilled her milk.  

    Awesome work Diva. I used Karyssa 8 maps on Michiko. And used the Diffused B lip overlay setting.

     

    hahah That's cool! She makes a cute goth girl! :) 

    Adorable render - thank you for sharing it with us! laugh

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  • LlynaraLlynara Posts: 4,770
    edited April 2018

    Don't be afraid to play with all the settings in Iray preview mode (as well as different lighting and tonemapping.) It's fun! Here's Elliandra for G3 and G8 by Mousso with a couple of different skin setups, same lights (pale pink and yellow), render settings and tone mapping, no postwork: 

    Elliandra default skin, Skin Shine High, Lips Shine High, Translucency A, SSS Tint D and Translucency Color D

    Elliandra with Aiko 8 No Maps A preset,  Skin Shine High, Lip Shine Ultra High, Translucency B

    Elliandra with Alexandra 8 No Maps only

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  • ChadCryptoChadCrypto Posts: 596

    Awesome images @Llynara

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131
    edited April 2018
    AnotherUserName said:

    Heres my first comparison shots. The first render is the original skin, the second uses Diva's shaders.

    I like how the pinkness has been removed from the original. The redness in the nose is whats throwing me off a little bit. It almost looks like she might be coming down with a cold. If I can control that, id like to know how.

    HUGE time savings with Diva's shaders. The original took 16 minutes and 24 seconds to render (old card and shiny hair ). The render with Diva's shaders took just under 7 minutes!

    Forgot to add, this is the Victoria 8 preset.

    My eyes say that the 'after render'  has now a brownish-blue tinge rather than the pale whitish-peach-pink that you'd expect. With the right shade whitish--peach-pink the typical redder nose isn't a problem but it is with that dominant shade. At any rate, I wouldn't think these presets are ideal for all character texture sets in all lighting conditions. Even so, the 2nd isn't that bad but the 1st looks more realistically detailed in this case. It seems to work quite well with a lot of them though that i've seen posted.

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,212
    edited April 2018

    @Llynara WOW... etherial! 

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  • LlynaraLlynara Posts: 4,770

    Thank you! It's hard to go wrong when you start with a Mousso character! 

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,522
    edited April 2018
    Llynara said:

    Thank you! It's hard to go wrong when you start with a Mousso character! 

    Right!? She makes incredible characters! I think my favourite so far of her's is Gail, but I love all of her characters that I have. :) 

    The renders are wonderful - I love them! And thank you for posting the settings that you used. That's helpful to see, I think. Gorgeous work, Llynara! 

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  • ChadCryptoChadCrypto Posts: 596
    Divamakeup said:
    Llynara said:

    Thank you! It's hard to go wrong when you start with a Mousso character! 

    Right!? She makes incredible characters! I think my favourite so far of her's is Gail, but I love all of her characters that I have. :) 

    The renders are wonderful - I love them! And thank you for posting the settings that you used. That's helpful to see, I think. Gorgeous work, Llynara! 

    Gail is beautiful. One I need to get someday. Mousso makes such awesome characters. I prefer them really over the big Daz Main Characters.

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