Is there clear documents for pw surface2 preset?

kitakoredaz

I bought pwsurface2 last year as pw shader bundle.:blank:
Now I try and test how use it well.
(I want to learn more about each daz skin shaders,)

but I can not clear understand about each preset shader and material of Pwsurface2.

I know there is help fiels about each parameter of shader. with opening the documents,
I struggle with skins. I know need to adjust them , then try and check. it is not problem.
and I know some shader preset can work, just need to adjust by myself for many case.

but hope some actuall examples pic , with the value which adjusted perfectly for ds 4,,,with lights,,,

Then ,, there are presets shaders, and some preset material s

But when I apply preset materials Seductless(V4).dsb and Seducltess.dsb
on surface of genesis figure, ds return erroer message,
can not find V4SmplLimbsM.jpg etc.. I skip , it return strange surface.

so these preset can not use without other product?

it seems same about Arburnflow(Annika Hair.dsb) and ArbunFlow.dsb.

can someone guide me about these preset?

(and I feel disapointed why daz document did not tell me, I need other product
if hope to use every preset. before I get pwsurface2,,
I was so looking forward to get this shader and try them,, before,,,,
but now,, I feel lost something,, .)

larsmidnatt

I have the same issue where it can't find textures. I do the ctrl click method to apply the preset so it doesn't look for the textures. I think it's ctrl click and then you pick ignore for the material settings instead of replace.

Hope that helps.

JimmyC_2009

The file V4SmplLimbsM.jpg comes free with the V4 base as far as I know. I have it, and from your image, it looks like it has been found as well. The UV Mapping is obviously wrong, since the copyright notice is appearing on the figure, and that should not be part of the UV map.

How are you working with this shader?

I load a base Genesis, then apply a skin, then apply the shader. Is that what you are doing?

kitakoredaz

UU,, thank you,,,larsmidnatt

so it is not only problem for me?

I checked log file, then actually, there are jpg files in my runtime ^^;
but it is so frastrated every time serch many jpg form runtime texture, milworm in V4, and tell it ds.
ds ask me again and again ^^; if I locate one by oen,,,

then ,, after I apply, "Sedecutleess V4", (file type materiall) (with "stop asking" )
genessi (v4 uv map) turn to coffee color skin..i like coffee color skin,, really,,
but,, is it real color of Sedecutleess skin?

then try to apply Sedecutleess skin shader (this fily type ,, shader,, ) again
these daz warranty map every time appeared ^^; (I did not tell each jpg,,because,, i know there are jpg,,
so ds can find them!! no need my help i think,,,)

and thank you. I know I can apply shader with ctrl ,, so when you use pw surface,
basically, with otther material preset ? (ignore option,,then remain texture? )
then adjust each parameter @@?

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then thank you Jimmy,

so I need first,, apply pw surface2 newtrall?
then apply material "Sedecutleess V4", ?
or apply shader "Sedecutleess skin "?

I understand already,, i need to apply shader with select surface etc,,
but about these preset,, I can not find how it work correctly.
so hope to document of each,,

larsmidnatt

I think you can fix that buy changing the UV map settings to V4, or whatever the correct setting is in the surfaces tab.

I personally don't ever use the default textures, I just apply the presets to get the effect they offer. But even then sometimes it does the same thing as you show, but it is an easy fix. (unless you discovered something new :)

kitakoredaz

Hi,, thaks much:)

then,, I find in my ribrary, there seems no texture these two preset files called

it is because,, Sedecutless.dsb or Sedecutless(V4)dsb try to load
"V4smpLImbsS.jpg" etc,, every file seems to need V4smp.

but in my runtime texture for V4, there seems not these files as same as,,,
I find V4smpLimbsM but not S,, somefiles are not in my texture for V4,,

then,,, I find there are all files which name "V4StLimbsS.jpg" etc,

they seems V4 std (standard?) files,, I downloaded before.

So that,, I open Script Edtior, then replace "V4smpl" to "V4St" by Edit,,
then save them as another name dsa,,Sedecutless_new.dsa and Sedecutless_V4_mat.dsa

then it seems work without problem now ^^;

(so I want to ask,, the V4smp and V4std are which is more high quality texture? ^^;
if V4std is not bad,, I may use these files,,,
and do you have these files in your runtime ? V4smpLImbsS etc,,

if Ineed to reinstall ,Victoria 4,,, but I can not find which produt have these files.

I download V4base and V4 morph, last year from daz shop,
but I have std texture ,, (it was appendix of daz manuall, so I can not downlaod it again,,
even though they are version uped already ^^;)

kitakoredaz

No,,, it seems no problem about Seductless V4.dsb after I changed texture,,
they can load texture without problem (V4St texture,,)

but about Seductless Skin.dsb , (shader preset?)
it seems apply wrong texture,, to wrong ,surface group,,

ah,,, so I may need to change texture about each group,, I think,,
(I feel there must be some erroer about this file,, )

OK,, I can do,,, maybe,,

kitakoredaz

I may need to ask here again more about pw surface2,,,(edit,, not 3^^; hope so,,)
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now I itemized and reinstall V4 base, again,, but
there seems no V4SmplXXXXXB.jpg and V4SmplXXXXXXS.jpg
I checked read me, there not.

these files are bump and specular map for V4 I think.

but Pwsurface2 for ds4 preeset
Seductress (V4).dsb (material preset)
and
Seductreess Skin.dsb (shader perset)

try to load bump texture and specutar texture. (which name V4smpXXXX B or V4smpXXXX S )
So that ds can not apply bump texture and specular texture, on pwsurface shader proeprty.

and about Seductress.skin .dsb (shader preset), when I apply this preset
to Victoria 4 full body surfaces, (of course select surfaces,, )

it can not apply texture well. I checked file by script IDE ,,

it seems only load "V4SmplLimbsM.jpg" (diffuse) "V4SmplLimbsB.jpg" (bump map) " " V4SmplLimbsS.jpg" (Specular map)"
not load other part.

so, I can not use this shader preset for full part or head part or sikinn torso,,,, I think @@;

if someone has pwsurface2, please check and tell me,,, if these two preset can work or not.
and what product has V4SmplXXXXXB.jpg or V4SmplXXXXXXS.jpg?

where can I find these jpg? I may hope to buy,, if they need.

then,, if these files work without ploblem, where is difference
Seductress (V4).dsb (material preset)
or
Seductreess Skin.dsb (shader perset) ?

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and,,,I find "--Tutor--" ds ,, is just broken link for tutorial TT)

then,, what means about --Neutral--.ds ?
Can it not reset parameter of pw surface2, I think first, but no.

is it shader or link? it seems not change any parameter. just apply pw surface2 shader,,
but there is pwsurface 2.ds already.
so when use --Neutral--.ds or pwsurface 2.ds ,
and which is better to apply first?

kitakoredaz

there are many preset it can not be apply without other product hair,
or skin, or not fit to well.

Arburn Flow(annika hair).ds need annika hair

workout(V4)skin.dsb when I apply,
it show the mesh poligon line of side body.
may need to set correctly about displacement value, I think.

Workout skin.ds only apply "Torso.jpg ". as same as Seductress Skin.dsb
so it mess up .

Quicksilver.dsb need ,another item,, I do not know
valsilver.jpg etc,,

Workout hair (Glamour.hair) ds need Glamour.hair

wretched rascal skin need another item.

these presets seem no use for user who do not get these items still.

DAZ need to correct information of this product.

(I know many user said pw surface 2 is good shader,, and use it.for their artistic work.

I believe pw surface shader must be good shader.
But these preset are not appendix of pw surface 2.,

why DAZ sell such product, without check or clear document?

If I know these preset need many product, I think more to get it.
I know refund system, but can never forgive and never overlook,
DAZ loose irresponsible and foolish attitude about good products.

I really angry. :vampire:

cipher_X

The PWsurface2 presets were for users that had the specific texture sets that the presets call to. You could still use the presets but you would have to load your character, assign a texture set and then control click the pwsurface preset and select ignore. The shader would apply itself but use the current texture maps the model already had applied.

I agree there should be more documentation, especially for users just starting out.

Below are the in depth online docs for the shader, hope they help you.

http://www.poseworks.com/shaders/pwsurface2/

kitakoredaz

Thank you,,cipher_X:) ,to reply this complain topic ^^;
(I really say thanks yours ,, you do not hesitate to reply my noizy complain,
and teach me ^^)

Yes,, I know,,, I can use Pwsurface2 shader,, with "ignore" option.

(when I ask about surface shader presets,, ,, many guys teach me ,,
may be they think I did not try it or do not know,, But,, I knew already ^^;)

I usually have used and tried ,, with my love character presets and texture,,
and thank you ,the link.

I know there is the guide about each property of PWshader2
and it is useful . without it, I can not find way to use PWshader2 at all ^^;

(I can apply PW surface 2 shader with character skin texture ,
and , I know some users not use texture, just change setting of colors and many parameters with PWsurface2,
to make good skin ,,)

but,, the daz shop documents say,, first try presets to leran !!!
these preset seems have not many meaning for me TT)

and,, I frastrated because,, the read me is now link of web. but there are no documents about
what files are installed and file names about pw surface 2.

DAZ documents say,, USER OFTEN FORGET TO CHECK READ ME, SO CHECK READ ME IS IMPORTANT
TO know each files .

on the other hand, they do not offer read me, and leave it off about old products, then still do not finish work.
I can not check read me! How I can check, which files are installed ?

I believe no new user can not find these presets need another product untill install it,
and actually, some preset I menioned above,
missing adress about texture name. they apply limb parts texture,to another surface.

scorpio

This problem was brought up when the product was first released, I had only just started using shaders and was very confused by the whole thing. As nothing has been done about it since then I doubt that Daz will bother now. I did hope that when the purchased the product from the creator that they would address it but I guess it has been overlooked.

kitakoredaz

thank you scorpio64dragon,,

if it was not DAZ originals products ,, I might not say complain,,,

but I used daz discoutns tickets about pw surface bundle,, which can work only about daz originals.
so I feel DAZ has responsibility about this shader and presets too..

then,, I think,,,daz can easy apply discriiption which product may need for each presets on web page,,
and set read me in their web site,,, about product they still selling.

I have reported mantis already,, but can not imagine daz soon deal with luck of documentation.:-S

Mattymanx

ALL DAZ Studio shader presets can be applied to other surfaces without changing the texture maps currently used ONLY IF you hold the CTRL key (CONTROL for MAC users) when you double click the shader preset. A window will pop up and one of the options on that window is to "ignor maps" meaning it will NOT change the excisting textures for the ones being called by the shader preset.

If you are using the presets on Genesis, please note that it will default Genesis' UVs to V4 instead of V5 or another. You will need to go into the surface tab, select the Genesis surfaces and change the UV setting back to what it was. This is standard behavior for all presets saved PRIOR to the excsitance of Genesis. Even my own presets which were made way back in DAZ Studio 2 using Aiko3 will change the Genesis UVs to V4. I have not saved any presest wth Genesis so I dont know if it will save the UV info or not when saving off of Genesis.

The online help for pwSurface2, which is the same that came with it is here - http://www.poseworks.com/shaders/pwsurface2/

If you would like to play around with my pwS2 presets, please feel free since they are free - http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/10847/

kitakoredaz

Matty,, I understand,, you perfectly did not read what I said.
just think I complain I can not use shader with texture.

Please do not say anymore,
ALL DAZ Studio shader presets can be applied to other surfaces without changing the texture maps currently used ONLY IF you hold the CTRL key (CONTROL for MAC users) when you double click the shader preset. A window will pop up and one of the options on that window is to “ignor maps” meaning it will NOT change the excisting textures for the ones being called by the shader preset.

I understand them already.
before buying PWsurface2

what you said has no meaning for me.

kitakoredaz

If you are using the presets on Genesis, please note that it will default Genesis’ UVs to V4 instead of V5 or another.

so what are you saing ?
I use only V4uv sets if I use V4 texture. it is so simple. if hope to use V5 texture, I change UV map to V5

then I use PW surface shader with V4uv default genesis with select surfaces .

And did you check preset already ? you just use them with ctrl key.
I know you can adjust well these preset without default texture.

But these preset I menitoned are designed to apply "other product texture" which need to buy.
so it try to load texture. then send errroer message.

are not they? and there are MATERIAL PRESET too.

of course I can apply them with other texture. but it seems no meanig. no good effect.
without customize each property to get good result.

The online help for pwSurface2, which is the same that came with it is here - http://www.poseworks.com/shaders/pwsurface2/

SO I SAID AGAIN AND AGAIN I AM NOW TWEAKING WITH THE LINKED GUIDE

but you can never follow DAZ or POSER WORK about these preset can not work as it desgined without other product texture.
it never much well with other texture. must need to adjust each properties again.

DAZ forget perfectly check each presets, and apply documetns.

Mattymanx

As for my last statement, it was not directed at you or anyone else but just in general to the whole so far. I have seen way too many people complain about Poseworks shaders and other things when the issue is a lack of understanding on the users part. Getting good results out of these things takes time and effort. So many people seem to miss that fact.

The presets that come included with pwSurface2 do not require you have the same products that were used to make them. When you save a Material Preset or Surface Preset in DAZ Studio, by default it will record ALL information in the surface tab. The diffuse colour, the diffuse map, the diffuse strength and so on regardless of what shader is in use, the DS default or another one. When I created my presets, I did so using Aiko 3 with Sylfie or another character's textures already applied to the different surfaces. The presets do NOT require that you have those products in your runtime or that you buy them because you can bypass the need for textures with the Ctrl+Click option. On Genesis, by default, the UV Set is set to V4. So if you apply a character skin that uses a different UV setting and then apply a pwS2 preset, the UV Set will change back to the default V4. Saving presets with the default option to include everything is a lot faster and simpler then going through the custom option and deselecting all the maps. If you save your own preset as a test you will see what I mean. So for most if not all material presets you will find that they pretty much all include image maps if they are intended to be used with textures regardless of the shader used.

kitakoredaz

https://bugs.daz3d.com/view.php?id=48950

if someone want to follow DAZ or poser works, and said "there is no problem"
I hope they first check each presets. then check daz documents what said in the web shop.
without texture, material preset has no meaning.
and luck of documentaiton is clear.

if many people complain about Poseworks shaders and other things
that simply because there are luck of documentation, and actuall problem abouot the product.

it is strange,, if say these problems because user luck of understanding on the users part.

(I never said, pwsurface2 default shader can not work, say about presets of material and shader,
which this products offer user, and luck of read me, and notification, how to use presets for
better work. ) EDIT
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Matty Manx,, it is OK you teach user how to use PWsurface.

but I have said where is problem on PWsurface2 presets shaders, Presets Materials,
and read me.

and Never you can find the read me which files are installed where about PW surface2.
If you can, show me and show the link.

DAZ may try to set read me on web, quickly if user complain somewhere, daz documents center.
you can only show manytimes PWsurface2 tutorial in web, (not read me)
then said me as if I did not serch it, find it. but it is not true.

I heared many veteran user, or who know well about daz tools and daz artists often tend to say,
"No No, these are user problem, user do not know how to use them clearly, and User need to find by them selfs"

as if You tend to exchange the fact "the lack of daz" and "user ablility and knowledge".

If you say, PWsurface many presets are desigend to use with ctrl key. So these textures name have no meanig
about Preset,, if is so strange.

when I save the preset with texture , I hope to use the texture and each property of shader.
simply because, adjust each shader property fit to the texture .

When I created my presets, I did so using Aiko 3 with Sylfie or another character’s textures already applied to the different surfaces

Yes so that your preset must fit with Aiko3 and Sylfie texture.
You say you can use them with other texture, but if it is right, what your preset has meaning?
only pw surface is need.

On Genesis, by default, the UV Set is set to V4. So if you apply a character skin that uses a different UV setting and then apply a pwS2 preset, the UV Set will change back to the default V4. .

It is so foolish, if I use other UV setting for genesis, and use PWsurface2 prest that try to load V4 texure,, .
and I never try such foolish things OK? I said again and again use with V4 uv sets .

Saving presets with the default option to include everything is a lot faster and simpler then going through the custom option and deselecting all the maps. If you save your own preset as a test you will see what I mean

you missing important things. You adjust each property which fit to the texture.
so the preset has meaning and useful.

you just say usuall fact, how preset work. but it is not the meaning of presets.

and NO need test again. so many preset I saved already.

Mattymanx

kitakoredaz said:

When I created my presets, I did so using Aiko 3 with Sylfie or another character’s textures already applied to the different surfaces

Yes so that your preset must fit with Aiko3 and Sylfie texture.
You say you can use them with other texture, but if it is right, what your preset has meaning?
only pw surface is need.

Actully, no, the presets are not tied to, require or even have anything to do with Aiko 3 or Sylfie. Its just the figure I happen to be using.

Saving presets with the default option to include everything is a lot faster and simpler then going through the custom option and deselecting all the maps. If you save your own preset as a test you will see what I mean

you missing important things. You adjust each property which fit to the texture.
so the preset has meaning and useful.

you just say usuall fact, how preset work. but it is not the meaning of presets.

If you believe that a preset is there so the end user does not have to adjust anything and get perfect results then I am sorry. Shader preset are very universal.

kitakoredaz

You like to simply say as if I do not hope any adjust ment with shader.
I love so many trying and learning about each. so do not care at all adjustment.

when I decide to buy Pwsurface2, I understand it must be difficult to learn.
and may need many test to know each property

so you say about this case,, shader proeprty has no reference which texture you used.

then on the other hand,, user need to set property fo get good effect with different texture.
I have though that, about shader.

But If I bought your shader preset and material preset, ( it said so)
and the preset try to load other texture which I have not, I just say it is your missing.

You are one of vendor,, so that why you can not think more user friendly?

if there are texture already , I can understand how adjust each parameter more clear.
because there is good result with real texture.

But if I use my texure, and apply shader preset (which made with another texture)
I can not compare. seems better with out the setting . just apply default pwsurface shader
with my texture, and start zero point. it seems more clear.

PWsurface shader need to adjust ment each property to get many effect. I understand before buying it.
it is same about daz default shader, or omhumansurface shader etc.
But they never try to load the texture which acutally there are not.

then PWsurface offer many material presets and shader presets with adjusted parameter.

if You or DAZ or Poser work can what is really useful for user, and think about user,
You must offer texture which you used, or show which texture you used and
offer shader preset with your adjust parameters.

so that as start point, user use each sahder preset, then can check each parameter,
and try to imitate the vendor setting first. tweak some parameter, and see what is difference from your model .

then learn about each property how effect with real model.

after that user try to use each shader preset with user texture. it is real user friendly.

if you think, User just buy product, and leran by your self, I show you my setting but not apply texture.
you may learn many my good setting if you hope, you may miss something.